Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (9 Viewers)
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Why doesn't he consider the Hindu gods? That's what I want to know. From what I've read so far, he doesn't have any solid reason to eject them. Every reason he has started has been weak, and I've refuted them logically. It's quite plausible that he's being close-minded with his definition of god. And he hasn't given me any reason to think otherwise.
How can brahma be an ultimate god when he was cursed by another god {shiva}?
The holy trident includes Shiva-Brahma-Vishnu right?
So brahma and vishnu are in a competition and brahma cheats
vishnu is like :depressed and gets over it. Then shiva curses brahma {for additional information no hindu is allowed to worship brahma and he is not allowed to have a temple to his name 
} this trident has some issues.
Sheik its evident you have no idea what you are talking about {hinduism in this case} Stop trolling
The holy trident includes Shiva-Brahma-Vishnu right?
So brahma and vishnu are in a competition and brahma cheats
vishnu is like :depressed and gets over it. Then shiva curses brahma {for additional information no hindu is allowed to worship brahma and he is not allowed to have a temple to his name } this trident has some issues.Sheik its evident you have no idea what you are talking about {hinduism in this case} Stop trolling
WΏΏdy;3572026 said:
How can brahma be an ultimate god when he was cursed by another god {shiva}?
The holy trident includes Shiva-Brahma-Vishnu right?
So brahma and vishnu are in a competition and brahma cheats vishnu is like :depressed and gets over it. Then shiva curses brahma {for additional information no hindu is allowed to worship brahma and he is not allowed to have a temple to his name } this trident has some issues.
Sheik its evident you have no idea what you are talking about {hinduism in this case} Stop trolling
The holy trident includes Shiva-Brahma-Vishnu right?
So brahma and vishnu are in a competition and brahma cheats
vishnu is like :depressed and gets over it. Then shiva curses brahma {for additional information no hindu is allowed to worship brahma and he is not allowed to have a temple to his name } this trident has some issues.Sheik its evident you have no idea what you are talking about {hinduism in this case} Stop trolling
Edit: Besides, Brahman is the ultimate god. Not Brahma. The trinity is only a physical manifestation of Brahman.
Aite
Let's start with shiva. Have you ever been to a shiva temple? They worship his lingam {Now ling translates to "sex" or a dick} is a representation of the Hindu deity Shiva used for worship in temples. The Lingam has been interpreted as a symbol of male creative energy or of the phallus. {Phallus? here you go > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus}
The lingam is often represented with the Yoni, a symbol of the goddess or of Shakti, female creative energy. {Yoni? well translates to Vagina > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni} Oh and shakti's Yoni as been described as Phallus by come}
Who is shakti? well supposedly the "mother of all" by hinduism. She is more like energy than a thing. So she is alone in this world and gets bored and creats shiva. Shakti is also the wife of most of major hindu gods or their "avatars" :wtf:
Back to the battle royale.
Brahma and Vishnu were fighting over each other’s prowess. Horrified at the intensity of the battle, the other gods asked Shiva to intervene. Now what does shiva do? brahma and vishnu are challenged by shiva asking them to measure the gigantic Linga (phallic symbol of Lord Shiva).
Awestruck by its magnitude, Brahma and Vishnu decided to find one end each to establish supremacy over the other. Lord Brahma took the form of a swan and went upwards while Lord Vishnu assumed the form of Varaha - a boar and went into the earth towards nether land. Both searched for thousands of miles but neither could find the end.
On his journey upward, Brahma came across Ketaki flower. Exhausted and bewildered with his search to find the uppermost limit of fiery column, Brahma made Ketaki assent to lie that he had seen the top of the column where the flower had previously resided. Accompanied by his accomplice, Brahma confronted Vishnu and asserted that he had indeed discovered the origin of the cosmic column.
At this point, the central part of the pillar split open and Shiva revealed himself in his full glory. Overawed, both Brahma and Vishnu bowed before him accepted lord Shiva’s supremacy. Lord Shiva also explained to Brahma and Vishnu that both of them were born out of him and that the three were then separated out into three different aspects of divinity.
However, Lord Shiva was angry with Brahma for making a false claim. The Lord cursed Brahma that no one would ever pray to him. (This legend explains why there is hardly any Brahma temple of significance in India.) Lord Shiva also punished the Ketaki flower for testifying falsely and banned her from being used as an offering for any worship.
Awesome!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam
http://www.srichinmoylibrary.com/books/1068/1/9
http://www.mahashivratri.org/legend-of-shiva-linga.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti
Let's start with shiva. Have you ever been to a shiva temple? They worship his lingam {Now ling translates to "sex" or a dick} is a representation of the Hindu deity Shiva used for worship in temples. The Lingam has been interpreted as a symbol of male creative energy or of the phallus. {Phallus? here you go > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus}
The lingam is often represented with the Yoni, a symbol of the goddess or of Shakti, female creative energy. {Yoni? well translates to Vagina > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni} Oh and shakti's Yoni as been described as Phallus by come}
Who is shakti? well supposedly the "mother of all" by hinduism. She is more like energy than a thing. So she is alone in this world and gets bored and creats shiva. Shakti is also the wife of most of major hindu gods or their "avatars" :wtf:
Back to the battle royale.
Brahma and Vishnu were fighting over each other’s prowess. Horrified at the intensity of the battle, the other gods asked Shiva to intervene. Now what does shiva do? brahma and vishnu are challenged by shiva asking them to measure the gigantic Linga (phallic symbol of Lord Shiva).
Awestruck by its magnitude, Brahma and Vishnu decided to find one end each to establish supremacy over the other. Lord Brahma took the form of a swan and went upwards while Lord Vishnu assumed the form of Varaha - a boar and went into the earth towards nether land. Both searched for thousands of miles but neither could find the end.
On his journey upward, Brahma came across Ketaki flower. Exhausted and bewildered with his search to find the uppermost limit of fiery column, Brahma made Ketaki assent to lie that he had seen the top of the column where the flower had previously resided. Accompanied by his accomplice, Brahma confronted Vishnu and asserted that he had indeed discovered the origin of the cosmic column.
At this point, the central part of the pillar split open and Shiva revealed himself in his full glory. Overawed, both Brahma and Vishnu bowed before him accepted lord Shiva’s supremacy. Lord Shiva also explained to Brahma and Vishnu that both of them were born out of him and that the three were then separated out into three different aspects of divinity.
However, Lord Shiva was angry with Brahma for making a false claim. The Lord cursed Brahma that no one would ever pray to him. (This legend explains why there is hardly any Brahma temple of significance in India.) Lord Shiva also punished the Ketaki flower for testifying falsely and banned her from being used as an offering for any worship.
Awesome!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam
http://www.srichinmoylibrary.com/books/1068/1/9
http://www.mahashivratri.org/legend-of-shiva-linga.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti
You missed my point. You are an atheist and you don't believe in a god, what's your explanation of people having created a notion named god (various gods here and there as you seem to insist on) and worshiping them? People who believe in Allah have their own understanding of an omnipotent creator, those who believe in other names you mentioned have their own perceptions and interpretations. All of these people however, even those who worship stone idols, fire, etc have all sought the same notion and need. Interpretations are different but it has originally stemmed from the same thing. Man naturally tends to look for something supernatural in order to explain what he doesn't have any control over. That's why I said even if god didn't exist, man would have created it anyways. Whenever I claimed this you disagreed. You don't seem to know that disagreeing with this claim is actually equal to 100% believing in a god, a creator.
WΏΏdy;3572102 said:
Aite
Let's start with shiva. Have you ever been to a shiva temple? They worship his lingam {Now ling translates to "sex" or a dick} is a representation of the Hindu deity Shiva used for worship in temples. The Lingam has been interpreted as a symbol of male creative energy or of the phallus. {Phallus? here you go > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus}
The lingam is often represented with the Yoni, a symbol of the goddess or of Shakti, female creative energy. {Yoni? well translates to Vagina > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni} Oh and shakti's Yoni as been described as Phallus by come}
Who is shakti? well supposedly the "mother of all" by hinduism. She is more like energy than a thing. So she is alone in this world and gets bored and creats shiva. Shakti is also the wife of most of major hindu gods or their "avatars" :wtf:
Back to the battle royale.
Brahma and Vishnu were fighting over each other’s prowess. Horrified at the intensity of the battle, the other gods asked Shiva to intervene. Now what does shiva do? brahma and vishnu are challenged by shiva asking them to measure the gigantic Linga (phallic symbol of Lord Shiva).
Awestruck by its magnitude, Brahma and Vishnu decided to find one end each to establish supremacy over the other. Lord Brahma took the form of a swan and went upwards while Lord Vishnu assumed the form of Varaha - a boar and went into the earth towards nether land. Both searched for thousands of miles but neither could find the end.
On his journey upward, Brahma came across Ketaki flower. Exhausted and bewildered with his search to find the uppermost limit of fiery column, Brahma made Ketaki assent to lie that he had seen the top of the column where the flower had previously resided. Accompanied by his accomplice, Brahma confronted Vishnu and asserted that he had indeed discovered the origin of the cosmic column.
At this point, the central part of the pillar split open and Shiva revealed himself in his full glory. Overawed, both Brahma and Vishnu bowed before him accepted lord Shiva’s supremacy. Lord Shiva also explained to Brahma and Vishnu that both of them were born out of him and that the three were then separated out into three different aspects of divinity.
However, Lord Shiva was angry with Brahma for making a false claim. The Lord cursed Brahma that no one would ever pray to him. (This legend explains why there is hardly any Brahma temple of significance in India.) Lord Shiva also punished the Ketaki flower for testifying falsely and banned her from being used as an offering for any worship.
Awesome!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam
http://www.srichinmoylibrary.com/books/1068/1/9
http://www.mahashivratri.org/legend-of-shiva-linga.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti
Let's start with shiva. Have you ever been to a shiva temple? They worship his lingam {Now ling translates to "sex" or a dick} is a representation of the Hindu deity Shiva used for worship in temples. The Lingam has been interpreted as a symbol of male creative energy or of the phallus. {Phallus? here you go > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus}
The lingam is often represented with the Yoni, a symbol of the goddess or of Shakti, female creative energy. {Yoni? well translates to Vagina > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni} Oh and shakti's Yoni as been described as Phallus by come}
Who is shakti? well supposedly the "mother of all" by hinduism. She is more like energy than a thing. So she is alone in this world and gets bored and creats shiva. Shakti is also the wife of most of major hindu gods or their "avatars" :wtf:
Back to the battle royale.
Brahma and Vishnu were fighting over each other’s prowess. Horrified at the intensity of the battle, the other gods asked Shiva to intervene. Now what does shiva do? brahma and vishnu are challenged by shiva asking them to measure the gigantic Linga (phallic symbol of Lord Shiva).
Awestruck by its magnitude, Brahma and Vishnu decided to find one end each to establish supremacy over the other. Lord Brahma took the form of a swan and went upwards while Lord Vishnu assumed the form of Varaha - a boar and went into the earth towards nether land. Both searched for thousands of miles but neither could find the end.
On his journey upward, Brahma came across Ketaki flower. Exhausted and bewildered with his search to find the uppermost limit of fiery column, Brahma made Ketaki assent to lie that he had seen the top of the column where the flower had previously resided. Accompanied by his accomplice, Brahma confronted Vishnu and asserted that he had indeed discovered the origin of the cosmic column.
At this point, the central part of the pillar split open and Shiva revealed himself in his full glory. Overawed, both Brahma and Vishnu bowed before him accepted lord Shiva’s supremacy. Lord Shiva also explained to Brahma and Vishnu that both of them were born out of him and that the three were then separated out into three different aspects of divinity.
However, Lord Shiva was angry with Brahma for making a false claim. The Lord cursed Brahma that no one would ever pray to him. (This legend explains why there is hardly any Brahma temple of significance in India.) Lord Shiva also punished the Ketaki flower for testifying falsely and banned her from being used as an offering for any worship.
Awesome!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam
http://www.srichinmoylibrary.com/books/1068/1/9
http://www.mahashivratri.org/legend-of-shiva-linga.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti
I remember you making this claim, and IIRC, Martin was the one who didn't understand what you were saying. But I agreed with you. And I'm saying it here again: yes, man created god, and I agree with you.
Do religious people believe god approves of this?