Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (35 Viewers)

[NinjaPoggy]

so you admit that you see miracles in everything and that they don't actually exist?

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

so you admit that you see miracles in everything and that they don't actually exist?

no i believe they do exist, I believe that God is in all things and of all things

 

[Zé Tahir]

to me beside my belief in ressurection, the fact that the apostles were hiding and disappeared until ressurection and then roared on the scene like lions and all died horrible martyrs deaths adds credence, then through in saul of tarsus who was a chief prosecutor of christians for the temple yet on the road to damascus changed completely and became the greatest of evangelists for Yeshua.these things dont happen without a climactic event, ressurection for the apostles and a vision of Yeshua on the road for saul

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not more special I just have come to a place in my belief after my period of disbelief when I was younger where I see all things as miraculous

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ps yes the night journey

Couldn't that have been because people were shocked too see a man they had thought to be dead but was actually standing in front of them alive? Did Christ not meet and dine with his disciples to assure them that he was alive and eating & drinking, etc. just like them?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Certainties? How certain are you of anything friend, that you cant touch, see or feel

If I can't detect something with the senses that I have, then I'm 1% certain that they exist.

you cant use me as an example I see miracles in everything, even the smallest thing like a drop of water

How is a drop of water a miracle? When you say stuff like this, it makes me believe you're seeing miracles because you WANT to see them.

I barely understood that but what little I did...I don't see how that doesn't apply to you too...?

I'll do that if you can tell me exactly everything about a black hole. Not just what scientists know right now but everything we don't know too. Don't leave anything out.

It doesn't apply to me because I'm not reading and interpreting from a holy book that I've accepted to be ultimate truth.

And I'm not answering your question till you answer mine. How can you be certain that those words describe our evolution alone and not something else, considering its vague nature?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

bro im not going back and looking through all the pages a few on here said those very words.

Then I'm not going to believe you.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Couldn't that have been because people were shocked too see a man they had thought to be dead but was actually standing in front of them alive? Did Christ not meet and dine with his disciples to assure them that he was alive and eating & drinking, etc. just like them?

he appeared to them in the lower room and then again when thomas didnt believe. Thomas saying he didnt believe his brethren and wouldnt until he put his hand in his side and finger in his hands which he did when Yeshua appeared, there are many apparitions of Yeshua and one even of 500+ people at the same time. Saul saw Jesus much later and far away, he saw Yeshua and become a believer and promoter of something he hated

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Then I'm not going to believe you.

then don't or maybe look for answers yourself for once

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Couldn't that have been because people were shocked too see a man they had thought to be dead but was actually standing in front of them alive? Did Christ not meet and dine with his disciples to assure them that he was alive and eating & drinking, etc. just like them?

ps he was DEAD a roman crucifixion would never allow a man to be released into custody without being dead, hence the spear piercing his side to burst the paracardial sack around the heart

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

then don't or maybe look for answers yourself for once

YOU were the one who claimed that these people would not believe in god even if they saw him in person. So the burden of proof lies on YOU to provide, not me. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

YOU were the one who claimed that these people would not believe in god even if they saw him in person. So the burden of proof lies on YOU to provide, not me. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

i dont have to prove anything I know what i read and saw if you dont believe me thats your problem and if you really want to know then go look, if not no worries I dont need to be validated

 

[NinjaPoggy]

no i believe they do exist, I believe that God is in all things and of all things

so your definition of miracles is different from the universal one?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

i dont have to prove anything I know what i read and saw if you dont believe me thats your problem and if you really want to know then go look, if not no worries I dont need to be validated

So until you prove otherwise, people on here will believe in god if he were to manifest himself in front of them.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

so your definition of miracles is different from the universal one?

It may be or that people are just more jaded now and miracles have to be astonishing or amazing

 

[NinjaPoggy]

It may be or that people are just more jaded now and miracles have to be astonishing or amazing

it may be? Are you not sure about your beliefs?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

it may be? Are you not sure about your beliefs?

I am what does that have to do with what i posted

 

[NinjaPoggy]

because you said 'it may be'. that's not religion. You are not certian

 

[AndreaCristiano]

because you said 'it may be'. that's not religion. You are not certian

i said it may be on if my definition is different than everyones, that has nothing to do with my beliefs

 

[NinjaPoggy]

you are a work of art my friend, every bit like jasper or sheik. Just more in self denial than these guys

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Say what now? :what:

 

[AndreaCristiano]

you are a work of art my friend, every bit like jasper or sheik. Just more in self denial than these guys

no your just twisting my words. You asked me one thing then used my answer to imply something else, maybe you could e honest in your motives

 

[NinjaPoggy]

need sleep now

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Maybe Andrea doesn't know the universal definition of 'miracle'. Looking it up would end this feud.