Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (13 Viewers)

[Quetzalcoatl]

there are alot of scientists in the vatican

ps why didnt anyone respond to my rebuttle to jaspers questions

You didn't understand the question. It was a theist asking atheists, not the other way around.

 

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[ALC]

1) jerusalem, bethlehem, nazzareth, sodom and gammorah
2) Pontius Pilate, Paul, King nebbecanezzar etc etc
3) fall of jerusalem, destruction of the temple etc etc

I don't know what just went on here, did you prove the bible is false or did you answer incorrectly?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You didn't understand the question. It was a theist asking atheists, not the other way around.

if thats the case then i misread i apologize

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 21:38 ----------

I don't know what just went on here, did you prove the bible is false or did you answer incorrectly?

I thought he was asking to name one of those things and i named some that have been proven

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 21:39 ----------

@andrea
an actual miracle automatically locks into belief, you were in disbelief because initially you never really witnessed one and later you just chose to be special

thats not true, there are people on here that have said it themselves even if they seen God with their own eyes they would disbelieve

 

[Zé Tahir]

how can you believe in the crator of everything and then say he cant do this? or cant break his own laws? God doesnt live within his laws he transcends them hence miracles.

If he wished the sun could rise from the West, I could be made to walk faster than my shadow...there are endless possibilities of what he could do.

However, him simply being able to do something is not good enough of an explanation.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

If he wished the sun could rise from the West, I could be made to walk faster than my shadow...there are endless possibilities of what he could do.

However, him simply being able to do something is not good enough of an explanation.

why not, there are many things that will never be explained my friend. answers as humans we will never know until God reveals them

 

[ALC]

Just saw this....pretty correct.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

We don't know anything to be evolution. There's a theory, by Charles Darwin, that some have accepted to be the most accurate process of evolution but something that scientists are always researching. Just wanted to clarify that.

To answer your question: Yes, the Qur'an does speak of a evolutionary process. As we're gaining more knowledge as human through the science we're understanding the scripture more and more.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_1.html

And we come back to the discussion we had before. These words can be interpreted in many ways. Your interpretation is being influenced by your current understanding of the world. And naturally, your brain will use current information to fill in the gaps that these words hold. You've already accepted that these words describe our world. So you'll be inclined to make these words fit your current understanding rather than acknowledge that these weirds don't accurately describe it as we know it.

All I'm asking for is clarity in his explanations and descriptions. This is not a hard thing to ask for at all considering he's god. The least a god can and should do is explain his methods with clarity rather than ambiguity.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Just saw this....pretty correct.

yet for thousands of years billions have died and still they believe

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 21:44 ----------

And we come back to the discussion we had before. These words can be interpreted in many ways. Your interpretation is being influenced by your current understanding of the world. And naturally, your brain will use current information to fill in the gaps that these words hold. You've already accepted that these words describe our world. So you'll be inclined to make these words fit your current understanding rather than acknowledge that these weirds don't accurately describe it as we know it.

All I'm asking for is clarity in his explanations and descriptions. This is not a hard thing to ask for at all considering he's god. The least a god can and should do is explain his methods with clarity rather than ambiguity.

once again absolutist. You ask him for tose things because his belief or outlook as you say doesnt mirror your view

 

[ALC]

At a much lesser proportion.

 

[Zé Tahir]

why not, there are many things that will never be explained my friend. answers as humans we will never know until God reveals them

Sure, I can accept that but accepting Christ as my Lord and saviour and waiting for him to descend from the heavens is not one of those 'minor' things I can accept not being explained.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Sure, I can accept that but accepting Christ as my Lord and saviour and waiting for him to descend from the heavens is not one of those 'minor' things I can accept not being explained.

but mohammed flying up a golden ladder to heaven directly without dying is easy to accept?

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 21:49 ----------

At a much lesser proportion.

thats not really accurate

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904108.html

 

[NinjaPoggy]

thats not true, there are people on here that have said it themselves even if they seen God with their own eyes they would disbelieve

its not about them, its about you stating opposite beliefs about miracles, stay on track.


PS : about them, pretty sure IF they see god or a flying talking elephant they will believe in a higher power

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

if you keep reaching for absolutes you will have a very unfulfilled life my friend

I'm merely sticking to the primary attributes of a god.

And just to clarify, what you are calling "absolutes" is nothing but a degree of certainty which we will accept as true. I don't expect absolute proof. Just enough proof to satisfactorily accept what you state. This is not asking for much as we ALL do this everyday in every walk of life.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm merely sticking to the primary attributes of a god.

And just to clarify, what you are calling "absolutes" is nothing but a degree of certainty which we will accept as true. I don't expect absolute proof. Just enough proof to satisfactorily accept what you state. This is not asking for much as we ALL do this everyday in every walk of life.

Certainties? How certain are you of anything friend, that you cant touch, see or feel

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 21:53 ----------

its not about them, its about you stating opposite beliefs about miracles, stay on track.


PS : about them, pretty sure IF they see god or a flying talking elephant they will believe in a higher power

you cant use me as an example I see miracles in everything, even the smallest thing like a drop of water

 

[Zé Tahir]

And we come back to the discussion we had before. These words can be interpreted in many ways. Your interpretation is being influenced by your current understanding of the world. And naturally, your brain will use current information to fill in the gaps that these words hold. You've already accepted that these words describe our world. So you'll be inclined to make these words fit your current understanding rather than acknowledge that these weirds don't accurately describe it as we know it.

All I'm asking for is clarity in his explanations and descriptions. This is not a hard thing to ask for at all considering he's god. The least a god can and should do is explain his methods with clarity rather than ambiguity.

I barely understood that but what little I did...I don't see how that doesn't apply to you too...?

I'll do that if you can tell me exactly everything about a black hole. Not just what scientists know right now but everything we don't know too. Don't leave anything out.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

thats not true, there are people on here that have said it themselves even if they seen God with their own eyes they would disbelieve

Who are these people? Name them. Show their posts.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Who are these people? Name them. Show their posts.

bro im not going back and looking through all the pages a few on here said those very words.

 

[Zé Tahir]

but mohammed flying up a golden ladder to heaven directly without dying is easy to accept?

Good question. You're referring to Night Journey I believe. I don't believe that this physically took place. More like a dream or a vision; strictly spiritual.

 

[NinjaPoggy]

you cant use me as an example I see miracles in everything, even the smallest thing like a drop of water

why not? are you more special than other religious people?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Good question. You're referring to Night Journey I believe. I don't believe that this physically took place. More like a dream or a vision; strictly spiritual.

to me beside my belief in ressurection, the fact that the apostles were hiding and disappeared until ressurection and then roared on the scene like lions and all died horrible martyrs deaths adds credence, then through in saul of tarsus who was a chief prosecutor of christians for the temple yet on the road to damascus changed completely and became the greatest of evangelists for Yeshua.these things dont happen without a climactic event, ressurection for the apostles and a vision of Yeshua on the road for saul

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 22:03 ----------

why not? are you more special than other religious people?

not more special I just have come to a place in my belief after my period of disbelief when I was younger where I see all things as miraculous

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 22:03 ----------

Good question. You're referring to Night Journey I believe. I don't believe that this physically took place. More like a dream or a vision; strictly spiritual.

ps yes the night journey