Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (23 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

He won't get it.

---------- Post added 08.03.2012 at 00:13 ----------



God doesn't require his children to return to him.

thats what i said its not a requirement its a desire. God wants us to return but only if we want to

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

I didn't really want to get into this again, and I shouldn't have started it again with the poll joke, which I then took seriously...don't kno why .

Humanism is a really complex belief system/ideology. It boils down the notion that there is nothing higher than man and its our responcibility to work together to build a better world. Its a secular belief system on its own, but some religious folk adopt some of the sections of the ideology.

Its basically ideological altruism.

SOme might say that's bigoted and speciesist.

 

[Ford Prefect]

like i said man is God= humanism ( not mocking here just saying)

Why...

I get asked not to call you stupid, I try and explain something simple and yet you persist.

Look it up on wikipedia, im tired and can't be bothered....im kicking water up stream and arguing pedantically with people I like.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

religion and science are two sides of the same coin my friend

If you wanna use such analogies, then I can say that both sides face opposite directions.

Religion demands belief in the absence of evidence, and worse, evidence to the contrary. Science shows you the evidence for its claims. Religion is based on supernatural, whereas source is based on the natural. Science is unbiased in its methods, whereas religion is board towards its own agenda. Science is changing whereas religion is unchanging.

They are very incompatible.

 

[Enron]

We don't know anything to be evolution. There's a theory, by Charles Darwin, that some have accepted to be the most accurate process of evolution but something that scientists are always researching. Just wanted to clarify that.

To answer your question: Yes, the Qur'an does speak of a evolutionary process. As we're gaining more knowledge as human through the means of science we're understanding the scripture more and more.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_1.html

Sure if you look at things from a religious perspective, but from a purely scientific perspective evolution is a law. Like Newton's laws. The only thing that keeps it in "theory" mode is the lack of acceptance from fundamentalists.

I also find the scientific acknowledgements of the Koran to be pretty cool.

---------- Post added 08.03.2012 at 00:17 ----------

thats what i said its not a requirement its a desire. God wants us to return but only if we want to

Meh, God is everywhere.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Why...

I get asked not to call you stupid, I try and explain something simple and yet you persist.

Look it up on wikipedia, im tired and can't be bothered....im kicking water up stream and arguing pedantically with people I like.

Just because you dont want to use the terminology of God that is the essence of Humanisim that humans are the be all and end all. PS you may not be an atheist as in the ideology but you are as per definition

 

[Ford Prefect]

I leave you on this point, goodnight....and Jah Bless

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Sure if you look at things from a religious perspective, but from a purely scientific perspective evolution is a law. Like Newton's laws. The only thing that keeps it in "theory" mode is the lack of acceptance from fundamentalists.

I also find the scientific acknowledgements of the Koran to be pretty cool.

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Meh, God is everywhere.

ps yes he is

 

[Zé Tahir]

religion and science are two sides of the same coin my friend

How can you say that when the only explanation to how a dead man can return to life thousands of years ago is "don't put limits on God".

 

[Enron]

like i said man is God= humanism ( not mocking here just saying)

It's the elimination of a God. In humanism, the existence of a god doesn't matter.

---------- Post added 08.03.2012 at 00:21 ----------

Anyway, good talk guys. I gotta hit the hay. Big interview in the morning.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Good luck, Eazy.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I leave you on this point, goodnight....and Jah Bless

1) jerusalem, bethlehem, nazzareth, sodom and gammorah
2) Pontius Pilate, Paul, King nebbecanezzar etc etc
3) fall of jerusalem, destruction of the temple etc etc

 

[NinjaPoggy]

Free will my man. If God just did miracles like that or just showed up and said here I am , then there would be no free will and we wouldnt have the choice to find him. He didnt create drones he created children whom he wants to return to him with their own desires to return not because he deemed it

exactly, that's exactly what i said no? free will, it gets influenced by a miracle hence the point of religion/existence goes outta the window.

stop contradicting your self. no man, good or bad, will witness a miracle.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

How can you say that when the only explanation to how a dead man can return to life thousands of years ago is "don't put limits on God".

how can you believe in the crator of everything and then say he cant do this? or cant break his own laws? God doesnt live within his laws he transcends them hence miracles.

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 21:26 ----------

exactly, that's exactly what i said no? free will, it gets influenced by a miracle hence the point of religion/existence goes outta the window.

stop contradicting your self. no man, good or bad, will witness a miracle.

i have witnessed a few and I can attest I still went through a time of disbelief in my life, miracles dont automatically lock in belief

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 21:26 ----------

It's the elimination of a God. In humanism, the existence of a god doesn't matter.

---------- Post added 08.03.2012 at 00:21 ----------

Anyway, good talk guys. I gotta hit the hay. Big interview in the morning.

eliminating God is disbelieving him

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

A Muslim Nobel Laureate begs to differ. He dedicated his life to both science and his religion.

And we all know that men are capable of having double standards.

you know what your problem is ...your an absolutest and the problem is that neither science nor religion gives absolutes, science has theories and religion has faith.

All I'm asking is whether there is sufficient, inambiguous evidence to support his belief.

like i said man is God= humanism ( not mocking here just saying)

No, man is not omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

And we all know that men are capable of having double standards.


All I'm asking is whether there is sufficient, inambiguous evidence to support his belief.


No, man is not omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent.

if you keep reaching for absolutes you will have a very unfulfilled life my friend

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Once my dad had me read a book written by a priest/scientist that actually does a good job of answering questions in a way so as to be consistent with science and religion. Too bad I can't remember the name.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Once my dad had me read a book written by a priest/scientist that actually does a good job of answering questions in a way so as to be consistent with science and religion. Too bad I can't remember the name.

there are alot of scientists in the vatican

ps why didnt anyone respond to my rebuttle to jaspers questions

 

[Enron]

eliminating God is disbelieving him

Humanism.

 

[NinjaPoggy]

@andrea
an actual miracle automatically locks into belief, you were in disbelief because initially you never really witnessed one and later you just chose to be special