Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (27 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

I know its mature, dude you can worship an imaginary dicktator all you want.

If people want to believe then w/e, I think its stupid, but they brainwash the children in my country, into believing, and thats wrong.

They obviously didn't brainwash you you seem to not believe. Also he isn't a dictator he doesn't dictate anything. His name isn't Mao or Hitler or Stalin. Wait those were atheists

 

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[Juve matador]

They obviously didn't brainwash you you seem to not believe. Also he isn't a dictator he doesn't dictate anything. His name isn't Mao or Hitler or Stalin. Wait those were atheists

I used to believe, until I was about 15, when I was mature & intelligent enough to realise it was bullshit.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I used to believe, until I was about 15, when I was mature & intelligent enough to realise it was bullshit.

That is a simplistic statement. Also just because your country may pervert God doesn't mean that is who God is. People to many times use mans perversion as a reason to not believe or at least to not search. Yet if they find it for real without that bias they see that man is the reason why there is the disbelief and division

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

They obviously didn't brainwash you you seem to not believe. Also he isn't a dictator he doesn't dictate anything. His name isn't Mao or Hitler or Stalin. Wait those were atheists

Oh please! If that's the case, then god or religion is not a source of morality. But the average religious person believe it is.

 

[CaesarCod]

yea no joke. Even as a christian who has read many translations of scripture and the works of many church fathers etc. Their religion is so paper cutter they choose and pick which part to read

Like what?

 

[Juve matador]

God does indeed, tell you how to live you life, the 10 commandmants and all that shit.

If you 'sin', he doesn't let you go to his party, and tells you, you'll suffer forever & ever, he's black mailing people into doing what he wants.

The people who made religion, had to have fear mongering in their, if they didn't people would be all like...

"so I can do w/e the fuck I want, and I will still go to heaven ?"

"cool, then why will I wait till marriage to have sex, I'll fuck everything/everyone I want to, as it won't make a difference"


I believe religion, was invented as a political tool. To control the masses.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

All you speak is jibberish. I have stated many times why bad things are allowed yet you continue to whine like a spoiled kid. You expect that if God was loving than life would be rosy. Many peoples fathers loved them completely yet life wasn't always easy there was punishment and pain. Along with joy and grace. Maybe you should wake up and stop blaming God on your BS

The point of punishment, though, is to teach a lesson and prevent the crime/sin from being repeated. That's what fathers do. What God does is sends you to hell where there is no chance of redemption. That's not what a loving father would do.

AC?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Oh please! If that's the case, then god or religion is not a source of morality. But the average religious person believe it is.

I follow God because I love him and I follow his path because of that love. A dictator is followed because of fear I don't fear God. It is me who chooses if I want to be with him eternally or without him

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Like what?

Well for one a Christian is one who believes Christ was the son of God and is the focus of that faith. The witnesses don't believe in either. They also believe Jesus was never human only spirit and that we too can become God like. There is more but that's just some

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That is a simplistic statement. Also just because your country may pervert God doesn't mean that is who God is. People to many times use mans perversion as a reason to not believe or at least to not search. Yet if they find it for real without that bias they see that man is the reason why there is the disbelief and division

This is where the bias I pointed out earlier prevents you from making a fair judgment. Maybe god is perverted. But since you think he's all good, you reject that possibility, and end up having to blame humans for it.

 

[CaesarCod]

Well for one a Christian is one who believes Christ was the son of God and is the focus of that faith. The witnesses don't believe in either. They also believe Jesus was never human only spirit and that we too can become God like. There is more but that's just some

That's completely wrong. Do better research next time.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I follow God because I love him and I follow his path because of that love. A dictator is followed because of fear I don't fear God. It is me who chooses if I want to be with him eternally or without him

So the Ten Commandments weren't dictated to humans, but presented as completely optional? The TC does not resort to fear and intimidation to make humans follow gods will?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

This is where the bias I pointed out earlier prevents you from making a fair judgment. Maybe god is perverted. But since you think he's all good, you reject that possibility, and end up having to blame humans for it.

I blame humans for it because its obvious. Look at the Catholic church and the corrupt popes and indulgences. Scripturally doesn't get supported yet human greed creates it. Hence why Luther rallied. Look at the crusades and now with the wahabi islam which fosters terrorism. This isn't bias its reality. People who pervert the word and will of God for their gain and then people turn from God because of human perversion

 

[adriano_c]

No he doesn't, and even if he did, he can go and fuck himself.

God was a dickhead in the old testament, killing everyone and all that shit, what a cunt.


What really grinds my gears, is cunts (aka religious people) who, when asked why so much suffering goes on in the world ? (rape, murder, natural disastors, famines). They're answer is...

'God works in mysterious ways'.

Does he fuck.

'God has a plan for everyone'.

His plans are fucking shit.

'God can't intervere'

But you pray to him to help you out, and when something goes your way, your like 'thanks god'... I thought he couldn't intervere...


Some bitch will survive a tsunami or something and 'praise god' for letting her live. Why didn't your fucking God help that 3 year old girl who died ? Or the hundreds of others ?

Does he care more about you ? Are you more important ?

Back in highscool, christian youth groups would come to my school, and go on about all sorts of shit, and they said they believed in the power of prayer, so they believe God will help them out, but he won't help thousands or starving/abused children... He needs his priorities fixed.


Religion has been the cause of so much suffering and death in our history, fuck religion.

So in conclusion, I don't think they're is a god, and even if there was hes a fucking scumbag who has his head up his ass 'don't eat my apples', 'do as I tell you', 'kill your son to proove you believe in me'... fuckin' fag.

+rep!!

:sadabrahamicgod:

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I blame humans for it because its obvious. Look at the Catholic church and the corrupt popes and indulgences. Scripturally doesn't get supported yet human greed creates it. Hence why Luther rallied. Look at the crusades and now with the wahabi islam which fosters terrorism. This isn't bias its reality. People who pervert the word and will of God for their gain and then people turn from God because of human perversion

But all these corrupt popes and their indulgences are good, right? Because these alter boys who just got molested will grow spiritually through such acts committed by such corrupt people.

Is this double standards or hypocrisy I sense here, Andrea?

 

[adriano_c]

Christ almighty! Disgust@people still clinging to some nomadic desert-dweller fairy tales in this day and age!

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But all these corrupt popes and their indulgences are good, right? Because these alter boys who just got molested will grow spiritually through such acts committed by such corrupt people.

Is this double standards or hypocrisy I sense here, Andrea?

You can believe this or not but a friend of mine was molested by a priest when he was younger and he is now a monsigner in the church and an awesome priest. He found light from that darkness and didn't hold God responsible for the darkness perpetrated by that priest. So out of the dark he saw the light and overcame that evil and became a great beacon of light. So this is what I mean. Out of that darkness some might blame God etc he chose to see that God wasn't the reason he was molested. That person wasn't of God even though he proclaimed it didn't make it true

 

[Juve matador]

I love these 'trolling god' memes.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

those memes show your lack of true understanding when it comes to God

 

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