Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (21 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

You guys are right, religious people pick and choose what parts of their religion they believe in.

I know a christian, who doesnt believe in hell, he believes that 'bad people' get left here on earth as ghosts forever & ever...

And some christians say the mass flooding (noahs ark) didn't happen, and that its a figure of speech, they deny it, simply because it paints their all loving, caring god, in a negative light.

So your friend does believe in Hell its just his hell is people being stuck as ghosts. Some Christians also aren't christian like Jehovah's witness so it all depends on their fruits

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

So your friend does believe in Hell its just his hell is people being stuck as ghosts. Some Christians also aren't christian like Jehovah's witness so it all depends on their fruits

Those J.H. are the most confusing.

 

[Nzoric]

It would actually be pretty sweet staying around as a ghost, with a few buddies. Imagine all the free peaks at titties

 

[Salvo]

It would actually be pretty sweet staying around as a ghost, with a few buddies. Imagine all the free peaks at titties

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Those J.H. are the most confusing.

yea no joke. Even as a christian who has read many translations of scripture and the works of many church fathers etc. Their religion is so paper cutter they choose and pick which part to read

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Which one sheik?

Your description stems from your bias that everything that god does or allows to happen is eventually good, whether it may seem like it or not. You perhaps rationalize it as the "LIGHT without the DARK no JOY without the PAIN" and as spiritual growth. To be fair on your critique, you should either attribute all acts, both good and bad, as the work of god; or attribute all acts, both good and bad, as works of humans. And then you should judge these acts with absolute fairness. You cannot choose to attribute the good acts to god, and the bad acts to humans.

This one.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

This one.

You misunderstood what I said. I said God allows all that. Satan is part of Gods plan. So in other words the dark,pain,suffering has to happen so the light, joy and grace can be achieved

 

[Ford Prefect]

and I thought the religious debates on here had dried up.


Fuck god and fuck ID.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Jasper's here.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

and I thought the religious debates on here had dried up.


Fuck god and fuck ID.

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously in any debate. You're like a child who just got their toy taken away

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You misunderstood what I said. I said God allows all that. Satan is part of Gods plan. So in other words the dark,pain,suffering has to happen so the light, joy and grace can be achieved

I understood what you said. And I refuted your point, saying that by believing that god allows it to happen, he has a greater good in mind for us. Which is where your bias stems from. You have this image of a good god. So all of his actions and inactions are good whether directly or indirectly.

 

[Juve matador]

You misunderstood what I said. I said God allows all that. Satan is part of Gods plan. So in other words the dark,pain,suffering has to happen so the light, joy and grace can be achieved

Many people, such as myself, don't appreciate God allowing fucked up shit to happen, even if it means joy & grace can be achieved later.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I understood what you said. And I refuted your point, saying that by believing that god allows it to happen, he has a greater good in mind for us. Which is where your bias stems from. You have this image of a good god. So all of his actions and inactions are good whether directly or indirectly.

Well yes God is good a creator creates out of love. Not out of hate or malice.

 

[Juve matador]

I understood what you said. And I refuted your point, saying that by believing that god allows it to happen, he has a greater good in mind for us. Which is where your bias stems from. You have this image of a good god. So all of his actions and inactions are good whether directly or indirectly.

Yeah man, god isn't all that nice.

It annoys me that religious people, portray him as a loving father figure who loves us, when (if they're were a god) he has to be held accountable for a lot of terrible things, in my opinion.

They should portray him as an authorative figure, whos rules must be followed, of you'll suffer for all eternity. (sounds like a terrible, evil dicktator.)

They should teach kids that at school*, they'd view him like a bad guy in a movie.


* Religious Education (christianity). Is still taught in my country, in primary schools - high schools. (I believe its different in america anyway, and perhaps some other countries.)

It's state sponsered brain washing, kids believe in the tooth fairy & santa and all, they cant grasp these things, its a disgrace that its promoted in schools.

God = dickhead.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well yes God is good a creator creates out of love. Not out of hate or malice.

And this is EXACTLY the bias I'm talking about. This bias prevents you from making a fair judgment of the good AND evil acts on a humanistic level. While atheists recognize something bad or evil and calling it out for what it is, you have to have faith that god allowed that to happen for some greater good. Which is what I find unacceptable, and surprised that people can actually think that.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Yeah man, god isn't all that nice.

It annoys me that religious people, portray him as a loving father figure who loves us, when (if they're were a god) he has to be held accountable for a lot of terrible things, in my opinion.

They should portray him as an authorative figure, whos rules must be followed, of you'll suffer for all eternity.

They should teach kids that at school*, they'd view him like a bad guy in a movie.


* Religious Education (christianity). Is still taught in my country, in primary schools - high schools. (I believe its different in america anyway, and perhaps some other countries.)

It's state sponsered brain washing, kids believe in the tooth fairy & santa and all, they cant grasp these things, its a disgrace that its promoted in schools.

All you speak is jibberish. I have stated many times why bad things are allowed yet you continue to whine like a spoiled kid. You expect that if God was loving than life would be rosy. Many peoples fathers loved them completely yet life wasn't always easy there was punishment and pain. Along with joy and grace. Maybe you should wake up and stop blaming God on your BS

 

[Juve matador]

Nah dude, fuck god.

If he does exist he can lick my hairy balls, by fuck will I bow to him.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

All you speak is jibberish. I have stated many times why bad things are allowed yet you continue to whine like a spoiled kid. You expect that if God was loving than life would be rosy. Many peoples fathers loved them completely yet life wasn't always easy there was punishment and pain. Along with joy and grace. Maybe you should wake up and stop blaming God on your BS

The point of punishment, though, is to teach a lesson and prevent the crime/sin from being repeated. That's what fathers do. What God does is sends you to hell where there is no chance of redemption. That's not what a loving father would do.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Nah dude, fuck god.

If he does exist he can lick my hairy balls, by fuck will I bow to him.

That's mature beside the fact that I bow to God out of love and respect like I love and respect my father not out of duty and submission

 

[Juve matador]

I know its mature, dude you can worship an imaginary dicktator all you want.

If people want to believe then w/e, I think its stupid, but they brainwash the children in my country, into believing, and thats wrong.