Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (17 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

I already posted plenty in this thread when i argued with Treq. Facts mentionned in the Quran that were just discovered in later years.

I don't need to read the Quran to know there are no facts in there that prove the existence of god. Convincing arguments, detailed stories of love and terror, good science and the best science - good guesses. You can argue that is me being ignorant and disrespectful, but if these facts existed then this thread and conversation wouldn't.

 

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[Raz]

What if the things you mention, big band and h2 is of very little significans? And I think no matter how he would have told it, people who don't believe wouldn't believe it ether no matter if it were truth or not.

And how he did it now - we came from stars. Says the same thing that we know today, just in a very short and simple way, for people to understand.

I don't know I think it would be not practical and not understandable if he would choose to talk in physics and chemic language. Now it simple folks talk, I like it. Plus it makes so much discussions.

 

[JuveJay]

Same reason why I'm not Christian, there is only one God and he has nobody beside him, neither does he have a son.

Is that really the reason you are not Christian?

 

[Alen]

Is that really the reason you are not Christian?

I second the question

 

[YasoR17]

Is that really the reason you are not Christian?

Yes because Christianity believes that Jesus and God is one, which he is not. He is a prophet.

 

[Zé Tahir]

To be fair, it was kinda hard to make them accept your religion if Momo and co. didn't include prophets and bits of their religions too. It made it easier to convert them.
Like the Christians took many things from pagan religions.

You have their prophets simply because they came earlier. If Islam came before Christianity, you wouldn't have accepted their prophets, imo.

Christians don't recognize that they have taken and/or accept previous beliefs as part of Gods word. Islam actually recognize the Bible & the Torah and states the Qur'an is the final word.

 

[Raz]

Yes because Christianity believes that Jesus and God is one, which he is not. He is a prophet.

This is the most upsurd thing comming from believers. They are obsessed with saying that what is written in their book is fact, while others are meraly fiction.

 

[Raz]

Christians don't recognize that they have taken and/or accept previous beliefs as part of Gods word. Islam actually recognize the Bible & the Torah and states the Qur'an is the final word.

How can bible accept Quran if it came later? Write another chapter, what if god is not at home to narrate?

 

[JuveJay]

Yes because Christianity believes that Jesus and God is one, which he is not. He is a prophet.

Ok, I can see this as an argument against it, but surely the reason is because you are muslim as you come from a muslim country/background/family?

 

[Zé Tahir]

How can bible accept Quran if it came later? Write another chapter, what if god is not at home to narrate?

Alen said that Christianity took things from pagan belief, that's what I was referring to.

 

[Raz]

Alen said that Christianity took things from pagan belief, that's what I was referring to.

So how is Quaran different then? The trend is the same, something new comes in but with stuff taken from some older religion?

 

[YasoR17]

Ok, I can see this as an argument against it, but surely the reason is because you are muslim as you come from a muslim country/background/family?

Obviously. Which I am very happy for. My parents did very well in teaching us about Islam in theory and in everyday life. It has helped both me and my siblings become decent human beings. I am nothing but grateful for that.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Same reason why I'm not Christian, there is only one God and he has nobody beside him, neither does he have a son.

Wrong. All these Abrahamic religions have poisoned your mind with lies. God can have a son or a daughter. It's his will. You can't deny it. And regardless of whether he has a son or not, Brahma created you and all living things on earth. You cannot deny it! It was written about it thousands of years ago. Why don't you believe it?

What if the things you mention, big band and h2 is of very little significans? And I think no matter how he would have told it, people who don't believe wouldn't believe it ether no matter if it were truth or not.

And how he did it now - we came from stars. Says the same thing that we know today, just in a very short and simple way, for people to understand.

I don't know I think it would be not practical and not understandable if he would choose to talk in physics and chemic language. Now it simple folks talk, I like it. Plus it makes so much discussions.

But this is god we're talking about. The omniscient being. The one who knows EVERYTHING. He knows how to convince us. He could've provided us with precisely the right amount of information to convince all people of all periods of time. Think about it: how beautiful would it be if science found out the origin of the universe and it was exactly the way a god described it THOUSANDS of years ago? The scientists would bow down to this creator in an instant.

 

[Alen]

Christians don't recognize that they have taken and/or accept previous beliefs as part of Gods word. Islam actually recognize the Bible & the Torah and states the Qur'an is the final word.

It doesn't matter. It's a fact that they incorporated those beliefs in their book and religion. Muslims were simply smarter and had an example with how the Christianity developed. They knew what needs to be improved and changed to get better results.

 

[Seven]

It's not a true story though I was just joking. Don't tell it to anyone anymore.

The proto-Germanic word for God was ǥuđan. All the Germanic languages (English is one of them) have their roots in the proto-Germanic. So with time they developed differently so the word ǥuđan became GOD in English and Dutch, GOTT in German, GUD in Norwegian, Swedish and Danish and Guð (I guess GUD too) in Icelandic.
That's how you got the word God. It has nothing to do with the initials of Gomar Oz Dubar.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Christians don't recognize that they have taken and/or accept previous beliefs as part of Gods word. Islam actually recognize the Bible & the Torah and states the Qur'an is the final word.

Nice to have you here, Z.

Obviously. Which I am very happy for. My parents did very well in teaching us about Islam in theory and in everyday life. It has helped both me and my siblings become decent human beings. I am nothing but grateful for that.

Nah, you're just a close-minded person who does not want to accept Hinduism as the truth.

 

[Raz]

The god can, but that doesn't mean he must or wants

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The god can, but that doesn't mean he must or wants

Then either these gods were dishonest, or the men who cooked up these creation myths knew fuck-all! Surely you can identify which option is more plausible.

 

[Raz]

Then either these gods were dishonest, or the men who cooked up these creation myths know fuck-all!

Dishonest? Why you thing that way? Cos he didn't reveal everything with detail? Dishonest would be if he on purpose would try to cheat us, which we have no proof of and could not prove it anyway.

 

[JuveJay]

Obviously. Which I am very happy for. My parents did very well in teaching us about Islam in theory and in everyday life. It has helped both me and my siblings become decent human beings. I am nothing but grateful for that.

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