Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (13 Viewers)

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Tak!

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Jun 23, 2011
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That last part is just sad. By saying that you're saying "everything we've said here so far is BS. IDC if I'm wrong or if you're wrong, we both probably are. But I am too afraid to do anything else.". Fearing God is sad no-go. I'm fairly certain that if you are fearing God you're ultimately worshiping Satan, not God. If there is a God I really don't see why he/she would be concerned with what people do/believe. If so it's a petty God I want nothing to do with, I don't understand why someone would be so jealous, mad, petty and so on. Reading the bible is like reading about Satan. I'm sorry. But the portrayal of God is just remarkably weird and of course there is no reason to fear a God. My sources are reliable (my own prophets). But to understand this portrayal one has to put it in it's context. Of course the scripts are what they are, they were written to unite people, citys and empires. To control people as we today do with laws. As a tool, the bible (for example), has done terrible things but the usefulness has been remarkable.

And no. Laws that worked 2000 years ago doesn't have to be applied 2000 years later. This works both ways. Don't really thing they needed that much about Internet in their laws...
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
16,022
That last part is just sad. By saying that you're saying "everything we've said here so far is BS. IDC if I'm wrong or if you're wrong, we both probably are. But I am too afraid to do anything else.". Fearing God is sad no-go. I'm fairly certain that if you are fearing God you're ultimately worshiping Satan, not God. If there is a God I really don't see why he/she would be concerned with what people do/believe. If so it's a petty God I want nothing to do with, I don't understand why someone would be so jealous, mad, petty and so on. Reading the bible is like reading about Satan. I'm sorry. But the portrayal of God is just remarkably weird and of course there is no reason to fear a God. My sources are reliable (my own prophets). But to understand this portrayal one has to put it in it's context. Of course the scripts are what they are, they were written to unite people, citys and empires. To control people as we today do with laws. As a tool, the bible (for example), has done terrible things but the usefulness has been remarkable.

And no. Laws that worked 2000 years ago doesn't have to be applied 2000 years later. This works both ways. Don't really thing they needed that much about Internet in their laws...
God doesn't need us to worship him. It doesn't benefit him in the slightest nor does it decrease from him in the slightest if we do or don't believe. But He has nonetheless set this criteria for us in this world to be successful in the next world. This is the reality whether we like it or not.


Karl Marx's theory on religion is stupendous. If you look at the founders of most world religions they were not interested in worldly gains or worldly affairs, they just wanted people to believe and be better people, to leave their wicked ways. If scriptures were written to unite people and build empires then the very founders of these religions would have only been interested in creating empires, but most of them were not (most prophets).

The laws set by these religions are moral laws, not laws on Internet fraud and what not. Having said that moral codes that are thousands of years old can still be of relevance today, for example, ensuring the Internet does not contribute to breaking up families, by having strict laws on such things as gambling. Even the laws we have today in Australia are what we call Common Law, which are laws that, though constantly changing, were inherited from hundreds of years of British law.

Religion encourages good upright behaviour and strong morals along with a strong family life. There is an abundance of benefit in religion.
 
Dec 26, 2004
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God doesn't need us to worship him. It doesn't benefit him in the slightest nor does it decrease from him in the slightest if we do or don't believe. But He has nonetheless set this criteria for us in this world to be successful in the next world. This is the reality whether we like it or not.


Karl Marx's theory on religion is stupendous. If you look at the founders of most world religions they were not interested in worldly gains or worldly affairs, they just wanted people to believe and be better people, to leave their wicked ways. If scriptures were written to unite people and build empires then the very founders of these religions would have only been interested in creating empires, but most of them were not (most prophets).

The laws set by these religions are moral laws, not laws on Internet fraud and what not. Having said that moral codes that are thousands of years old can still be of relevance today, for example, ensuring the Internet does not contribute to breaking up families, by having strict laws on such things as gambling. Even the laws we have today in Australia are what we call Common Law, which are laws that, though constantly changing, were inherited from hundreds of years of British law.

Religion encourages good upright behaviour and strong morals along with a strong family life. There is an abundance of benefit in religion.
Hope you are having good time avoiding my questions :p
 

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