Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (16 Viewers)
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Does God break his rules? If God created everything than he created the laws of nature right? The author states "This is the design of God" so he's not limiting the power of God, just stating his modus operandi. Of course he can do literally do everything and anything, like change the state of rocks from a solid into a liquid all of a sudden...but that's not really his style is it?
For argument sake if Adam & Eve were the first people and God made them from 'nothing' then why not make Jesus that way? That stands as a bigger 'miracle' than making 23 male chromosomes appear in a woman in a time when people didn't know any of that stuff.
For argument sake if Adam & Eve were the first people and God made them from 'nothing' then why not make Jesus that way? That stands as a bigger 'miracle' than making 23 male chromosomes appear in a woman in a time when people didn't know any of that stuff.
That is nowhere near the truth, a true believer strives to not sin, to not mire in those evils, and falls occasionally to varying degrees depending on that persons belief and faith a non religious only regulates to themselves and a amoral belief in what is evil. Not sinning isnt about punishment for a believer its done for love of God as a child tries not to dissapoint his earthly father a believer tries not to dissapoint his father in heaven
Just saying based on experience of what I see. Strive to sin or not, they still do it as much as anyone else. The only difference is what they say they believe. What you say about believers actually feeling God's presence would be more convincing if they could behave like it. You would think that if you could feel the presence of the Big Man right over your shoulder, it would provide some kind of push to be more "holy".
All men are sinners. I would speculate that practising believers in all religions, on average, commit less "sin" than non-practising believers and non-believers. From my personal experience with people this definitely holds true. A study may prove either way.
There are many moral atheists. Moral doesn't necessarily mean religious. But it's certainly the case that one who is serious about practising religion is always being encouraged to behave morally, against their selfishness and desires, they're continually thinking about what they do (seems like a horrible life to an atheist), whereas non-practising and non-believing people will find it much easier to commit a "sin" as other than their conscience, nothing else is really holding them back.
There are many moral atheists. Moral doesn't necessarily mean religious. But it's certainly the case that one who is serious about practising religion is always being encouraged to behave morally, against their selfishness and desires, they're continually thinking about what they do (seems like a horrible life to an atheist), whereas non-practising and non-believing people will find it much easier to commit a "sin" as other than their conscience, nothing else is really holding them back.
The difference there is just not convincing enough. The vast majority of believers that I've witnessed live like they aren't believers. They may have their one or two sins that they're totally against, like the chicks that keep sex until marriage, but they still lie, gossip, steal like everyone else. How much of an impact does God really have on their lives? How present is he really to them?
Well you always seem to know about the extremities, exceptions and anomalies. The church going crowds that I used to be among every Sundays were the most gossipy, judgmental, unsympathetic, uncharitable (except when many eyes were on them) and un-Christ-like people ever. Yet they were adamant that God was ever present in their lives.