Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (38 Viewers)

[Zé Tahir]

@AC: How long are you gonna play the victim card?

 

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The one thing that seems to be a pattern is that the believers are always " Christian " who we go after here. what about the Jews and Muslims or deists or non affiliated believers? Why is it always the Christians ?

It isn't. We've just been on the subject of Christianity because of you (and Linebreak).

 

[Linebreak]

I'll take that as a yes.

Take it as what you like Kyle

 

[Linebreak]

@AC: How long are you gonna play the victim card?

AC is closer to your side than the cynicals

 

[AndreaCristiano]

@AC: How long are you gonna play the victim card?

Im not just an observation. We act as though only Christians believe there are sooooo many others who do as well so why not ask and include them

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It isn't. We've just been on the subject of Christianity because of you (and Linebreak).

Well Actually I never brought up Christianity you all did I was speaking in completely Deistic terms

 

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That seems like a Christian thing. And I don't think you're giving them enough credit here ...they've changed their beliefs so many times since the days of Galileo it's hard to recognize it anymore.

I don't really know enough about Islam (other than the basics) and it's dealings with science to discuss it in depth. So you'll have to forgive that my argument comes from a Christian centered base.

 

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The one thing that seems to be a pattern is that the believers are always " Christian " who we go after here. what about the Jews and Muslims or deists or non affiliated believers? Why is it always the Christians ?

Because in our society, the most vocal participants in these discussions in a national podium happen to be Christians.

 

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Take it as what you like Kyle

It's best to leave things ambiguous.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Because in our society, the most vocal participants in these discussions in a national podium happen to be Christians.

Really? Do you see the arab nations or in the US, C.A.R.E or the Nation of Islam
From moderates to extremists muslims are more vocal for pro God anti secular than any group. In the end all these groups including other more minimal religions, all believe in a higher power, call him God, YHWH, Allah, Krishna etc etc and yet just because linebreak and I are Christians we focus on that, yet the question is " Is there a God? " Meaning an intelligent designer, or higher power or eternal spirit etc etc this question isnt geared toward a certain deity from a religious dogma, but is there a Creator or designer something bigger or higher then we are ?

 

[Zé Tahir]

It's best to leave things ambiguous.

Yeah, I just wanna curl up in my bed with a book and try to guess where he stands.

 

[Linebreak]

Yeah, I just wanna curl up in my bed with a book and try to guess where he stands.

Pro Science
Pro Belief in God

I think I've made that quite clear throughout this thread

 

[Zé Tahir]

Pro Science
Pro Belief in God

I think I've made that quite clear throughout this thread

How do you feel about Jesus?

 

[IliveForJuve]

For those saying that evolution cannot explain the human eye, watch this and tell me what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUjd8x-1xM0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I'm not really convinced. I've read different evolutionist articles that say it's different. A youtube video can be bullshit. However, I'm not opposing to evolution and I'll read much more books about it before I take sides.

 

[Linebreak]

How do you feel about Jesus?

I love him

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Really? Do you see the arab nations or in the US, C.A.R.E or the Nation of Islam
From moderates to extremists muslims are more vocal for pro God anti secular than any group. In the end all these groups including other more minimal religions, all believe in a higher power, call him God, YHWH, Allah, Krishna etc etc and yet just because linebreak and I are Christians we focus on that, yet the question is " Is there a God? " Meaning an intelligent designer, or higher power or eternal spirit etc etc this question isnt geared toward a certain deity from a religious dogma, but is there a Creator or designer something bigger or higher then we are ?

Maybe, but there is no proof to support that belief. No hard evidence. Plus, whatever we do observe points to the likelihood that there is no intelligent creator.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm not really convinced. I've read different evolutionist articles that say it's different. A youtube video can be bullshit. However, I'm not opposing to evolution and I'll read much more books about it before I take sides.

Two can play that game, bro. I can label the evolutionist articles you've read as bullshit.

Come up with a better argument.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Maybe, but there is no proof to support that belief. No hard evidence. Plus, whatever we do observe points to the likelihood that there is no intelligent creator.

I actually gave two websites both by scientists who disagree with your assessment

 

[Linebreak]

Maybe, but there is no proof to support that belief. No hard evidence. Plus, whatever we do observe points to the likelihood that there is no intelligent creator.

I agree, hard evidence will potentially NEVER be found to prove God's existence imo. There's plenty of rational evidence that points to it, such as the the nature of the universe that we live in. However, it comes down to every individuals personal honest reflection on the nature of things.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I love him

Was he son of God or a prophet?