Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (44 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

And yet they all disagree on how the human and divine in Jesus Christ relates.

Yes and thats where the original Christian church had the real split in about 125 AD, different church fathers had slight different interpretations, be it timothy, peter, paul, james etc etc in the end Paul won which doesn't always sit well with me

 

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[Nzoric]

Yes and thats where the original Christian church had the real split in about 125 AD, different church fathers had slight different interpretations, be it timothy, peter, paul, james etc etc in the end Paul won which doesn't always sit well with me

Not at all . How can the Christian Church split in 125AD when Constantine wasn't emperor until 300 (ca) AD ?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Not at all . How can the Christian Church split in 125AD when Constantine wasn't emperor until 300 (ca) AD ?

Bro the Christian church existed before Constnatine! There were Gnostic Christians and Essene Christians and Jewish Christians! Constantine established the HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH not the christian faith, so please before you laugh educate yourself

 

[AndreaCristiano]

By the way does anyone know how the word GOD came to be? I do

 

[Nzoric]

Bro the Christian church existed before Constnatine! There were Gnostic Christians and Essene Christians and Jewish Christians! Constantine established the HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH not the christian faith, so please before you laugh educate yourself

Im talking about how the Church split up. Western and Eastern churches split up. I dont give a fuck about the previous christians, that split up is important because we are debating whether or not the main tenants are the same. Just accept that you got pwned and know nothing about this subject, and we'll stop talking about it.

Gnostic Christians, grasping for straws

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Im talking about how the Church split up. Western and Eastern churches split up. I dont give a fuck about the previous christians, that split up is important because we are debating whether or not the main tenants are the same. Just accept that you got pwned and know nothing about this subject, and we'll stop talking about it.

Gnostic Christians, grasping for straws

The church split up didn't happen till the reformation. The different beliefs in christianity when it come to Jesus God/human nature were from before constantine, thats why when constantine constituted the Holy Roman church he burned books and crushed different christian sects that didn't fall in line, so no i wasn't owned your just ignorant to facts

 

[Nzoric]

I'll just back out of this thread slowly. You seem to have no idea about the subject I'm on right now, so I'll just stop this conversation. You're talking about the Reformation? Im talking about the split of the eastern and western catholic church, the eastern known today as the Orthodox Church, you know - the second largest group within the religion?

Farewell, I hope you read a book one day.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'll just back out of this thread slowly. You seem to have no idea about the subject I'm on right now, so I'll just stop this conversation. You're talking about the Reformation? Im talking about the split of the eastern and western catholic church, the eastern known today as the Orthodox Church, you know - the second largest group within the religion?

Farewell, I hope you read a book one day.

I know what your talking about but the beliefs behind that stem from what i was talking about previous, this is where the first splinters started to happen and you don't want to see what I am saying

 

[Nzoric]

No, I don't understand what you're saying. You're talking about AD 125, which is completely and utterly irrelevant. The split up between the eastern and western church didn't happen until the 5th century AD. As I've said, I'm done here. You don't know enough about this subject, and you're getting more desperate for every post. I hoped for a better debate than this.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

No, I don't understand what you're saying. You're talking about AD 125, which is completely and utterly irrelevant. The split up between the eastern and western church didn't happen until the 5th century AD. As I've said, I'm done here. You don't know enough about this subject, and you're getting more desperate for every post. I hoped for a better debate than this.

Ok im gonna reword what i am saying maybe I'm not expressing myself correctly. I know when the split happened but the essential difference in beliefs stem from a lot lot earlier. Early christianity had a lot of diverse stances on certain key beliefs and those permeated in certain regions even after constantine and this led to that split

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

By the way does anyone know how the word GOD came to be? I do

I do too. Someone made it up. Just like all the bloody words and languages that have ever existed.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I do too. Someone made it up. Just like all the bloody words and languages that have ever existed.

There is a real reason behind the word sheik not just made up

 

[Nzoric]

Ok im gonna reword what i am saying maybe I'm not expressing myself correctly. I know when the split happened but the essential difference in beliefs stem from a lot lot earlier. Early christianity had a lot of diverse stances on certain key beliefs and those permeated in certain regions even after constantine and this led to that split

That's in no way the decisive factor in the split up. The Roman Empire under Constantine the Great is where we count the first true Christian organization, the cults and sects before that are irrelevant. The split up happened because of substantial differences in key aspects of the faith which are still present today. To conclude, your point that the main tenants are all the same is false.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There is a real reason behind the word sheik not just made up

OK. Let's hear it.

 

[Nzoric]

Let's hear it, and also lets hear why the history of a word is relevant. Or if it's just random trivia, I'm cool with that.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

OK. Let's hear it.

The name of YAhweh was not to be pronounced so they would use Gomar Oz Dubar to speak of YHWH, the meaning is Wisdom, strength and Beauty three of GOD's main traits. Later on the initials G. O. D became the word God

 

[AndreaCristiano]

That's in no way the decisive factor in the split up. The Roman Empire under Constantine the Great is where we count the first true Christian organization, the cults and sects before that are irrelevant. The split up happened because of substantial differences in key aspects of the faith which are still present today. To conclude, your point that the main tenants are all the same is false.

Thats what you see, but if you look where the different sects went and where they still practiced their beliefs in hiding you will see why the church ended up enveloping some of the different thoughts and then the big split

 

[ALC]

The name of YAhweh was not to be pronounced so they would use Gomar Oz Dubar to speak of YHWH, the meaning is Wisdom, strength and Beauty three of GOD's main traits. Later on the initials G. O. D became the word God

Wouldn't they say God in every language then? I've only heard it in English.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Wouldn't they say God in every language then? I've only heard it in English.

Well no because the term GOD was originally used in english speaking countries, when they started translating scriptures, in other languages the words would translate differently from the hebrew

 

[ALC]

Oh ok, so it's just for English then.