Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (20 Viewers)

[Raz]

Enviroment Didn't knew how to say that the books are meant for study of oneself and shouldn't be discredited because they don't study the way the universe began.

And why would anyone write in religious, spiritual texts about homo erectus dinosaurs or some other not yet discovered amebas is beyond me. What actual difference does it make that you know about dinosaurs or not? I mean what measurable difference in your life does it make that you know that they existed?

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

It makes a difference when the book claims that God created the universe and everything in it, and that he has a special place for sinners and do-gooders and that we should believe everything he said(in that book, apparently). You're looking at the religious texts as a source of morality and way to live your life. So this wouldn't make much sense to you.

But if you look at it from a creation standpoint, then everything that's ever existed on this earth or universe bears significance. Why would the supreme creator fail to mention some of his creations? Was he ashamed of them? Or did he not know that he created them? Were they failed experiments God was not proud of? All these questions are important to me.

 

[Raz]

Can you tell me the difference the knowledge of knowing dinosaurs does to you? I mean not that if there are dinosours then ther must not be god, but as in what difference does it make to you are you happier, sadder or what?

And don't you think that there wouldn't be enough space to cover everything that existed and will exists how everythign was created and etc, don't you think those are trivial things compared to the message the these texts are sending?

Know the fraze - tldr? Well it would be exactly that if you would have putted all this information in the scientific way for people way back then to read.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Can you tell me the difference the knowledge of knowing dinosaurs does to you? I mean not that if there are dinosours then ther must not be god, but as in what difference does it make to you are you happier, sadder or what?

And don't you think that there wouldn't be enough space to cover everything that existed and will exists how everythign was created and etc, don't you think those are trivial things compared to the message the these texts are sending?

Know the fraze - tldr? Well it would be exactly that if you would have putted all this information in the scientific way for people way back then to read.

I think those things you mentioned are important to establish ones credibility towards the claim of creating the universe. I already said that since you're looking towards inner meanings of the texts, you won't understand my point.

It doesn't matter if it's too long or not. That's just an excuse to hide from the fact that the writer knew nothing. It's a shameless cop-out. Let the people from way back then ignore that part cos they don't understand it. But think of the effect it would've had in modern society. Think of how much more acceptance it would've had from more people in this world.

Oh, and correct spelling: 'phrase'.

 

[Lapa]

God doesn't exist, period.

 

[Raz]

Haha, thanks, I need those spell checkers who correct mistakes not just highlight them.

Well yeah, don't know how would that have planned out, since speculating isn't something i'm fond of, so lets not go there

But I think you would agree that if everything wasn't wirtten down it still wouldn't matter, and think how much information storage that would need to write everything down? They didn't have hdd back then in the jungles

And I don't know a lot about alah or muslims, but isn't there stuff written there that is somewhat science? So i guess there are stuff written about this just that it is never enough for your side. And I think this is inevitable, because no matter what will be written in the books you will still find stuff and say - well they don't say about amebas being different collor.

I'm sorry for my spelling though, I usually write better, just am very tired these few days.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Haha, thanks, I need those spell checkers who correct mistakes not just highlight them.

Well yeah, don't know how would that have planned out, since speculating isn't something i'm fond of, so lets not go there

But I think you would agree that if everything wasn't wirtten down it still wouldn't matter, and think how much information storage that would need to write everything down? They didn't have hdd back then in the jungles

And I don't know a lot about alah or muslims, but isn't there stuff written there that is somewhat science? So i guess there are stuff written about this just that it is never enough for your side. And I think this is inevitable, because no matter what will be written in the books you will still find stuff and say - well they don't say about amebas being different collor.

I'm sorry for my spelling though, I usually write better, just am very tired these few days.

I'm sorry, but if you claim to be the creator of the universe, then you carry the burden of proof and explanation. You simply cannot declare yourself the creator and get away with cheap "explanations" or descriptions or mumbo-jumbo. Not with me. If you claim to be God, then you have to live up to that expectation. Storing and passing on this information should be nothing but an itch to you. So yes, stuff that is somewhat science is not enough. Not enough for me to believe that your the creator of the earth, universe, heaven and hell, passer of judgement and all that crap. I'm not gonna take things for granted.

Don't apologize for your English. No one's perfect. That's just me helping you get things right. Learn and improve.

 

[Raz]

What i'm saying is not that it would be hard for god too hard to put it to, but that there is no information vessel that could have possably store so much information, so you asking god to put information out there in a plain text that we could understand is too much and cannot be done. And the limitation is not god here, but us and how to get information to us.

Well I have this issue with science vs religion that you brought up now

But I will leave it for another time, too tired to try to do a coherent post now and it is a whole new discussion too

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I know what you're saying. I'm not asking for every detail, but enough to make us believe than he knows more than what meets the human eye(back in those days of course). That's all.

 

[Nedvěd]

God doesn't exist, period.

God created Eve so he could test the period on her.

 

[Lapa]

God created Eve so he could test the period on her.

 

[ALC]

Article about evolution. I know it's Cracked but still.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19213_7-animals-that-are-evolving-right-before-our-eyes.html

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That was a funny AND informative read. +rep yo.

 

[K.O.]

Yes.

 

[ALC]

Glad ya enjoyed it!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yes.

Prove it.

 

[K.O.]

Prove it.

Everytime I use my brain I do.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

 

[alvin_89er]

Does god exist?

Yes. But it wasn't "jesus" a guy who was in nappies, when he was born, and can a human being, be ever considered as a god? Whoever believes that is whack - period

 

[Mohamad Anwar]

Dr Atkins is a joke,I am not an athiest but I can get better argument in a debate with someone who beleives in god
anyway I beleive its impossible to prove that god exists or nothing,all depends on what you beleive,so far I will settle for saying that I beleive there is god until someone makes theories about creation of universe and evolution that can convince me,nothing convinced me from athiests talk so far but I cant rule out being an athiest even sooner rather than later