Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (17 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

God exists.

In the minds of people.

I can agree with that.

 

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[Raz]

Does this make him real?

Do thoughts exist? If i think of a poem in my mind but never write it down, does the poem exist or have existed?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Does this make him real?

Depends on how you define real.

Do thoughts exist? If i think of a poem in my mind but never write it down, does the poem exist or have existed?

Nah. They're just a figment of your imagination.

 

[Zacheryah]

that's because you be wrong

Beeing wrong is periodic

Beeing a hypocrite is constant

 

[Raz]

Interesting. So the poem can exist only on paper or written on some physical form? And wouldn't this make the figment of imagination real and tangible in the real world?

It's intereting since you create or think of it in your mind, you just write it down. So shouldn't it exist even before or if at all it is written down?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Beeing wrong is periodic

So is being grammatically incorrect.

Seriously, I can't believe how people can still make grammatical errors when almost every decent browser comes with an integrated spellchecker. This goes double for @Raz, cos frankly, your spellings are terrible!

Interesting. So the poem can exist only on paper or written on some physical form? And wouldn't this make the figment of imagination real and tangible in the real world?

It's intereting since you create or think of it in your mind, you just write it down. So shouldn't it exist even before or if at all it is written down?

It was a play on words, you gimp! Poems arise from imagination... get it?

Anyway, saying something is in your head convinces no one except yourself. I could say that I just came up with the best song in the world. But unless I play it or write it down as sheet music, its existence is impossible to determine by a 2nd person.

 

[Raz]

I get it, i get it alright

But answer me does it exist? If it's best or not is irrelivant, but does it exist? (don't mind god in this question, just the thought and the poem which was never written down)

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm not answering to you until you get a browser with a spell checker and get your spellings right.

 

[Zacheryah]

English is my third language, the amounts of errors i make decrease each passing year.

Besides, its still far better then our prime minister talking dutch, wich is supposed to be one of the two national languages (german doesnt count)

 

[Raz]

I'm not answering to you until you get a browser with a spell checker and get your spellings right.

Mine? My spell cheker died on my firefox, too lazy to look into it

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

What are you discussing here, ladies

 

[Zacheryah]

Imaginary friends, and how people who are to dumb to understand science believe in them instead

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Imaginary friends, and how people who are to dumb to understand science believe in them instead

Oh, imaginary friends

 

[Raz]

Imaginary friends, and how people who are to dumb to understand science believe in them instead

Thank god we have you such an inteligent person to balance things out.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Thank evolution we have you such an inteligent person to balance things out.

fixed.

 

[Raz]

fixed.

Oh and you too, we can see that even with evolution we get a critical mistake once in a while.

 

[Zacheryah]

i'm not talking about rus, but in general, evolution doesnt allways take the neccecary best way, it takes the easyest way

For example, in 70% of the african continent, people who have the sickle cell genetic disorder, or are heterozygote and have the trait, are outgrowing people who dont have it.

This because a person with sickle cell syndrome is immume to the malaria parasite, who cannot sustain itself in the HGa.

Thing is, one who has sickle cell syndrome, in optimal conditions, has a lifespan of maximum 30 years

 

[Raz]

And the one who has malaria in africa, what's his lifespan?

Anyway, no need to tell me that evolution doesn't taje the best way always. We have rus a fine example of a critical evolutionary failure.

 

[Zacheryah]

And the one who has malaria in africa, what's his lifespan?

Anyway, no need to tell me that evolution doesn't taje the best way always. We have rus a fine example of a critical evolutionary failure.

One who has malaria, doesnt neccecary die from it, and if you survive it once, you'll survive it again.

However, if you are born with sickle cell, you will never live past 25 in africa


Give it 100 years like this and over half the continent will not be aging older then 25 years.

 

[Raz]

You survive in if you have the medicine for it, without it you're not in a fair figt, specialy if it's a child. And guess how many have an easy access to it?