Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (18 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

Whose is it then, if not for the one that created everything and has the power to do anything?

Oh right, all good is God's work and all bad is the Devil.

Your understanding of God his relationship to man and free will / good and evil is like a small child's

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

Who holds God responsible for all his misjudgements? Example he places innocent child into an abusive home. Since he is God Almighty he could have just as easily blinked and not have an innocent suffer such a cruel fate. And how does my misjudgement as a, hmmmm, let's say an adulterer ensure me a one way ticket to hell, while his misjudgement goes unpunished? And please don't argue that he gave man free will and it was man's choice to abuse that child, when he could have directly prevented by not placing a child in that home in the first place. What kind of God doesn't care about suffering or his own children?

Maybe he exists, maybe he does not, but if he does, he is a very questionable God to me.

Once again the sin of man is placed in Gods domain. Ask yourself why man chooses more so to do evil than good with his free will ?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

My bad. I thought it was an ongoing wrestling match between AC and the rest of you.

Seriously though I never really posted my opinion on here so just did with that post.

It's not just me but I am one of the unafraid. The above poll shows there are more believers than non believers on here but most shy away I'm cowardice

 

[Djabrail]

Please discuss.

Whats to discuss here? She cant become a wife of kuffar(non-believer).

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Whats to discuss here? She cant become a wife of kuffar(non-believer).

The fact that sheik goes out of his way to find bigoted Christians like pat Robertson is like painting every Muslim with the Wahhabi brush. It's both ignorant and dishonest

 

[Djabrail]

The fact that sheik goes out of his way to find bigoted Christians like pat Robertson is like painting every Muslim with the Wahhabi brush. It's both ignorant and dishonest

I wasnt talking bout someone in particular.

And i have a question to disbelievers. If man exist(noone can deny it), than there must be Creator,no? If you gonna start talking bout evolution, than im gonna repeat the question,- if evolutionary process took place, and apes somehow transformed to men, than apes existed before human kind, no? Well, then again, there has to be an eternal Creator, who created them. And so you can go on and on, till you find out that there has to be someone who created the universe.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I wasnt talking bout someone in particular.

And i have a question to disbelievers. If man exist(noone can deny it), than there must be Creator,no? If you gonna start talking bout evolution, than im gonna repeat the question,- if evolutionary process took place, and apes somehow transformed to men, than apes existed before human kind, no? Well, then again, there has to be an eternal Creator, who created them. And so you can go on and on, till you find out that there has to be someone who created the universe.

Ps I know you weren't but sheik always does. Ps although I agree with you the atheists believe we came from nothing

 

[ALC]

I wasnt talking bout someone in particular.

And i have a question to disbelievers. If man exist(noone can deny it), than there must be Creator,no? If you gonna start talking bout evolution, than im gonna repeat the question,- if evolutionary process took place, and apes somehow transformed to men, than apes existed before human kind, no? Well, then again, there has to be an eternal Creator, who created them. And so you can go on and on, till you find out that there has to be someone who created the universe.

Big Bang!

 

[Djabrail]

Big Bang!

Well, i see, you really think that you came from some bang, dont you?

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Ps I know you weren't but sheik always does. Ps although I agree with you the atheists believe we came from nothing

0=0, nothing=nothing, nothing=creates nothing.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Big Bang!

Even if that theory is correct and the Higgs bosan is found that doesn't preclude the fact that something has to create. Something can not come from nothing and no matter how far back science goes there will always be something supernatural behind there answer

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Well, i see, you really think that you came from some bang, dont you?

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0=0, nothing=nothing, nothing=creates nothing.

Correct emptiness can not bring forth fullness

 

[Djabrail]

Even if that theory is correct and the Higgs bosan is found that doesn't preclude the fact that something has to create. Something can not come from nothing and no matter how far back science goes there will always be something supernatural behind there answer

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Welcome to the good fight my brother

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Your understanding of God his relationship to man and free will / good and evil is like a small child's

Weak evasion as usual. And again, doing what you cry about when others do to you. i.e. belittling others for their opinions.

But of course, there is no reasonable explanation as to why an all-powerful, all-loving God would allow such suffering to innocent children.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

My bad. I thought it was an ongoing wrestling match between AC and the rest of you.

Seriously though I never really posted my opinion on here so just did with that post.

You should post it more often.

Your understanding of God his relationship to man and free will / good and evil is like a small child's

He works in mysterious ways.

Once again the sin of man is placed in Gods domain. Ask yourself why man chooses more so to do evil than good with his free will ?

Who have man free will? God. Therefore, god is to blame.

Whats to discuss here? She cant become a wife of kuffar(non-believer).

Oh yes. 2 people who like each other can't be with each other because of the gods they believe in. That's stupid!

I wasnt talking bout someone in particular.

And i have a question to disbelievers. If man exist(noone can deny it), than there must be Creator,no? If you gonna start talking bout evolution, than im gonna repeat the question,- if evolutionary process took place, and apes somehow transformed to men, than apes existed before human kind, no? Well, then again, there has to be an eternal Creator, who created them. And so you can go on and on, till you find out that there has to be someone who created the universe.

Oh man, what an old, refuted argument this is!

First, by your logic, god has a creator too then. If you say that god is causeless, then you're argument is fallacious.

Second, even IF there is a god, you don't know if it's the god you pray to.

Even if that theory is correct and the Higgs bosan is found that doesn't preclude the fact that something has to create. Something can not come from nothing and no matter how far back science goes there will always be something supernatural behind there answer

God of the gaps

 

[Rabbit]

To answer the title, yes.

Deal with it.

 

[Djabrail]

Weak evasion as usual. And again, doing what you cry about when others do to you. i.e. belittling others for their opinions.

But of course, there is no reasonable explanation as to why an all-powerful, all-loving God would allow such suffering to innocent children.

Deep inside you do feel Gods present, dont you? You still write "God" in caps

 

[Zlatan]

Deep inside you do feel Gods present, dont you? You still write "God" in caps

I write God in caps too (most of the time). It has nothing to do with believing, but with proper spelling/grammar.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

To answer the title, yes.

Deal with it.

Which one? There are thousands of gods described throughout history.

I write God in caps too (most of the time). It has nothing to do with believing, but with proper spelling/grammar.

I never capitalize god unless it's the first word of the sentence.

 

[Zlatan]

Which one? There are thousands of gods described throughout history.



I never capitalize god unless it's the first word of the sentence.

I dont know about English, but in Bosnian God is always written with a capital G so that's why I write it with a capital.