Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (38 Viewers)

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pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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Greco-Roman polytheism, for example, is well documented. We know a lot about their religious traditions.
When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire, 80% of the subjects were still polytheistic and worshiped different Gods. To get people to convert, Christian leaders had to make it easy for the people to keep their traditions. That's why they just incorporated them into the Christian myth.
The only "rituals" common in most Christian churches are the baptising and last supper (pls correct me if I forgot anything). So you're suggesting that the places that talk about last supper and baptising in all four of Luke, Mark, John and Mathew were written by Christian leaders in 4th (?) century of this era?
 

pitbull

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Can any of you Christians explain this verse to me?

Luke 14: 25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. 27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

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Put God above anything, including family if you follow Jesus. Don't take things out of context, read the whole chapter, the essence of the analogy lies in the 14:33.
 

Raz

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The only "rituals" common in most Christian churches are the baptising and last supper (pls correct me if I forgot anything). So you're suggesting that the places that talk about last supper and baptising in all four of Luke, Mark, John and Mathew were written by Christian leaders in 4th (?) century of this era?
There are countless stuff in Christianity that came from pagan, so many festivals...
 

pitbull

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There are countless stuff in Christianity that came from pagan, so many festivals...
Just like it doesn't make you more of a christian if you go to church on Christmas or Easter, it also doesn't make you less of a christian if you don't. Let me put it this way, the festivals aren't christianity, Jesus is. I agree that many things surrounding christianity may have been created by people, but I refuse to believe that bible, God or Jesus was created by people who borrowed things from pagan religions.
 

Raz

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But there are countless same mirracles done by previous religions and their prophets or gods that were done by jesus, thei predate them, that should mean that it was sort of copy paste, at least to my mind.
 

pitbull

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But there are countless same mirracles done by previous religions and their prophets or gods that were done by jesus, thei predate them, that should mean that it was sort of copy paste, at least to my mind.
For example what? Name 3 things, I don't have time for countless.
 

Raz

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Just write in google krisna and jesus same miracles or someting similar and you'll see that there are so so many similarities and krishna was way before jesus came.

The same is with writings from the cultures of tigrus and eufratus rivers.
 

pitbull

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Just write in google krisna and jesus same miracles or someting similar and you'll see that there are so so many similarities and krishna was way before jesus came.

The same is with writings from the cultures of tigrus and eufratus rivers.
Again, the question I asked to Alen. How can you be certain of the truth regarding those centuries before Christ? There isn't even a clear idea when the Krishna coming happened, not even talking about whether there's proof (I mean real proof, not the stuff like "the legends "existed" way before") that the story of Krishna was written before or after Bible.
 

Raz

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C'mon, how can you be certain of the truth that were written in bible?

Doesn't it sound suspicious to you that those miracles, history is very similar to stuff that was written way back before christs was born? It's like reading a book and then finding that you were reading a reprint of the orginal which was written before just with different name? Pliagiarism at it's best.
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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C'mon, how can you be certain of the truth that were written in bible?

Doesn't it sound suspicious to you that those miracles, history is very similar to stuff that was written way back before christs was born? It's like reading a book and then finding that you were reading a reprint of the orginal which was written before just with different name? Pliagiarism at it's best.

the answer to your question is in the details :)




:D
 

pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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C'mon, how can you be certain of the truth that were written in bible?

Doesn't it sound suspicious to you that those miracles, history is very similar to stuff that was written way back before christs was born? It's like reading a book and then finding that you were reading a reprint of the orginal which was written before just with different name? Pliagiarism at it's best.
The bible has historic basis under it and the oldest copies of it are way more old (=>credible?) than most historian writings of the period, which are taught in schools and called facts. I just want to know what is the basis behind all those pagan religions who claim their stuff stolen and plagiated (sorry for the language, I'm kinda hangover and don't want to check the verb) and whether they are just legends, paintings on walls, scratches on clay tiles or do they have some credibility behind those claims.

For the record, I'm not certain of the things written in bible, I wouldn't be asking questions here if I were. I happen to agree with the things written in Bible, but I'm not a christian. Same with vegetarianism. Hard to explain, but probably I just love meat too much, both literally and figuratively. :D
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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I'm not argueing their credibility, that would be too hard to do. I'm just pointing out the fact that stuff that is said to be done in bible and is exlusive to jesus was written way before jesus supposedly walked the earth. I'm not saying they are correct or incorrect I'm just saying that same stuff was done many years before they were claimed by jesus as his own miracles.
 
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Again, the question I asked to Alen. How can you be certain of the truth regarding those centuries before Christ? There isn't even a clear idea when the Krishna coming happened, not even talking about whether there's proof (I mean real proof, not the stuff like "the legends "existed" way before") that the story of Krishna was written before or after Bible.
The hindu scriptures were written at least 1500 years before the bible was. None if them, so gay, have been down to be forged or manipulated to include any stories of the major gods.
 

Raz

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The hindu scriptures were written at least 1500 years before the bible was. None if them, so gay, have been down to be forged or manipulated to include any stories of the major gods.
Question, not related to god. In hindu as far as I know they talk about how the place between india and japan used to be a land and some other interesting stuff regarding how the earth used to be so many years back. Do you think it is tales from people living so many years back? Because if it somewhat true it would mean people were living thousands and thousands of years ago there?
 

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