Do you believe in God (15 Viewers)

Majed

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Jul 17, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
god forgives anyone who seeks honest redemption except those who repent at their dying moments. why? because he knows hes dying and NOW only he wants to repent. sure he's filled with regret etc but being honest with one's self you'll realize he's only repenting because he's gonna die and that's not exactly honest is it?

In Islam, God is very, extremely, kind. and I mean VERYYY kind and merciful. You say surely our sins will weight over our deeds? Truth is no one can judge a person more than God can. Besides whats important in Islam is trying to do good and avoid evil. Simple. Human beings are not perfect, we are BOUND to make mistakes, and that's where you have repenting and a God which is Merciful. I think, as long as a moslem live by the rule "TRY to do good and avoid evil" he/she'll survive

I've read somewhere how a person describes God- Just someone waiting for someone to call Him, and He'll come to you. God is Just, yes, but one shall never forget how merciful he can be.

Gray, I have some pointers bout the bible-hebrew stuff but I'm just too tired to talk bout it now.. :D
an example of God's Kindness: (christianity might also have this)
When you plan to do some thing good and do it, then you dont just get one good deed, you get another good deed for sincerly planning it.

So if i really intend to do something good, but i forget, i still get a good deed for planning on doing it.

when you commit a sin. you're only held acountable for the sin, not planning it. If you intend and plan on sinning, but you dont go through with it, either
1. you dont get a sin (if you forgot or weren't able to commit that sin)
2. you actually get a good deed (if you planned to sin, but didn't go threw with it because i change in heart)
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by ebraheej ] ++
Its because they know that they will die soon, and thats why they seek redemption, they should have done it before.
And the way to redeem is byfeeling really sorry and not doing it again.
Thats it really.
But what if it's completely honest...

also, how do you define dying 'soon' ?

It's sort of like the balance of good vs bad deeds..

how can anyone know the cutoff?

Is 10 hours before death too soon before death? How about 20? 30?
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
zizou what was your question again? oh yea, the head covering thing. like i said, we muslim women treasure our bodies so much that we preserve it for the best- for our husbands. personally i prefer this anyway. I mean, reserving one's beauty for the husband makes it all so much more.. special
Just wondering, does Islam teach that the body is just a temporary housing, and that physical possessions shouldn't be treasured above life?
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Kaliman ] ++
Gray, what's up with you and PM's? Do you ever answer any?
oh, i thought the issues addressed were answered in the CM blog thread. I asked some people to help distribute the links, because i'm way too busy these days...

sorry bro!
 

Anders

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Dec 13, 2002
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noone has given me anything.

Surely you can give me a link you already have... how can you be too busy to do that?

C'mon man! Share it :extatic:
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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btw i didn't get your latest PM. For some reason, i'm not getting the popup notification anymore :down:

:LOL: thx for the quote again :thumb:

Check your PM, and you can ask LAC any questions you have about the links. I gtg out now ;)
 

ebraheej

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Jul 16, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++


But what if it's completely honest...

also, how do you define dying 'soon' ?

It's sort of like the balance of good vs bad deeds..

how can anyone know the cutoff?

Is 10 hours before death too soon before death? How about 20? 30?
-A (dying);) man will always be honest in his redemption, because he is dying and he regrets all the things he had done. Therefore this redemption should not be taken into consideration.
-In your death bed dying, (If you were in your death bed dying without knowing it, and redeem yourself, god will forgive you).
-Actualy nobody knows the cutoff, only god knows that, we know that allah is most merciful and just, so if you try to do good and avoid evil you will be ok.
-It depends, If you are actualy dying at that time, I dont mean a slow death like cancer, its like someone's soul is being taken away from his body.

:)
 

ebraheej

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Jul 16, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++


Just wondering, does Islam teach that the body is just a temporary housing, and that physical possessions shouldn't be treasured above life?
Actualy yes.
"Nay you prefer the life of this world, although the hereafter is better and more lasting"
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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Here;s a question for you all.

Suppose theres a boxing match. And both boxers believe in your religion, and they both pray with equal faith, live equally righteous lives and are equally loyal to their God and religion. If both pray for victory, who wins?
 

ebraheej

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Jul 16, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by [LAC] ] ++
Here;s a question for you all.

Suppose theres a boxing match. And both boxers believe in your religion, and they both pray with equal faith, live equally righteous lives and are equally loyal to their God and religion. If both pray for victory, who wins?
This has nothing to do with relegion If it did Bahrain National team would have won the world cup five times by now.;)
The boxer who prepared better for this match and is physicaly and mentaly fit will win.
 

Majed

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Jul 17, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by ebraheej ] ++

This has nothing to do with relegion If it did Bahrain National team would have won the world cup five times by now.;)
The boxer who prepared better for this match and is physicaly and mentaly fit will win.
You Forgot one thing... it all comes down to god's will in the end.

Just because i person prays for something, even if he/she is rightous, it doesn't mean god will have to grant it.


I feel like the whole "fate" topic is gonna open up :stress: and i honestly dont have the energy and time!!
 
Aug 1, 2003
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josh, as for your question, I have to repeat that god is most Just and whatever he decides, it is for the best. Who are we to judge his decisions ?

Gray I didn't understand your question (sorry but my english is super horrifying)
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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Salilah, what was my question again? I've asked and aswered too many to keep track :embarass: btw I noticed a compliment from you earlier, but i forgot :wallbang: to thank you for it. Thanks :)

++ [ originally posted by [LAC] ] ++
Here;s a question for you all.

Suppose theres a boxing match. And both boxers believe in your religion, and they both pray with equal faith, live equally righteous lives and are equally loyal to their God and religion. If both pray for victory, who wins?
As Majed said, it's all down to what God wants, but AFAIK most athletes don't pray for victory or anything like that. Personally, before I step onto the pitch, I ask that God would let me represent him well (sportsmanship, not getting into fights and whinging to the regeree, humility).

Take Jesus for example. Before he was taken away and crucified, Jesus prayed to God:

"Abba Father", he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will." - Mark 14:36

Jesus is pretty much saying, "God, I know that you can send down legions of angels to fight and rescue me from my captors, but I want your will to be done, not mine".

In the same way, a mature believer would pray "God, of course i want to win this game, but i leave it upto your will". It's an act of submission, of faith.
 

Majed

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Jul 17, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
Salilah, what was my question again? I've asked and aswered too many to keep track :embarass: btw I noticed a compliment from you earlier, but i forgot :wallbang: to thank you for it. Thanks :)



As Majed said, it's all down to what God wants, but AFAIK most athletes don't pray for victory or anything like that. Personally, before I step onto the pitch, I ask that God would let me represent him well (sportsmanship, not getting into fights and whinging to the regeree, humility).

Take Jesus for example. Before he was taken away and crucified, Jesus prayed to God:

"Abba Father", he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will." - Mark 14:36

Jesus is pretty much saying, "God, I know that you can send down legions of angels to fight and rescue me from my captors, but I want your will to be done, not mine".

In the same way, a mature believer would pray "God, of course i want to win this game, but i leave it upto your will". It's an act of submission, of faith.
well said... :)

Stepping on to the field, I pray to god that:
1. I do my best
2. He keeps me from getting injured.
3. He keeps me from hurting others. (unintentially)
4. that i keep my cool.
5. When I cheekly Dribble someone or score a difficult goal, that nobody interprets the huge smile on my face and my celebration as a mockery. It's just me lovin' the game :D
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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To a certain extent, but I'd say that the team that trains the hardest and has the more skillful players will win the match ;)

God rewards hard work :cool:
 

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