Dip in Form (2 Viewers)

[Primo]

We've done it so many times. We start the season in impressive fashion. So impressive that we are always touted as favorites to win the CL and/or/either Serie A almost every year. But take note, this is at the beginning of the season.

But how many times have I seen Juve have a dip in form? Countless.

Last year we started impressively in all competitions, but in the end, we lacked the consistency that GREAT teams have. In the end, our start-of-the-season-form did not reflect our end-of-the-season results. When I say GREAT, I am not making any reference to any team at present because there is no other team who play consistently great these days.

Milan, seem erratic but is far from great.

Barcelona seem the closest to defining a GREAT team.

Chelsea consistently play a solid game, but not great.​

So what happens again if we find ourselves in the same situation where for some odd reason, we lose steam and momentum? First signs of this shown in the Bayern Munich game where we lost in Munich. The return leg against the Bavarians in Turin wasn't equally impressive as we had to win it late again and were unable to control the game. The game against Milan still poses a question mark because I seriously thought we were on a better psychological condition entering that match. But still, we lost.

Is there something we can do to prevent this from happening?

We almost do it all of the time. Start well, raise expectations, and then be disappointed in the end. I would rather we start slowly, and then build-up and play solidly closing in on the latter parts of the season.

I don't know. Sometimes, it's just frustrating. What do we need to keep the engine running at full steam?

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

young blood

 

[Primo]

What do you mean?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

we need younger players

 

[Beto]

Maybe it's because camo had a dip in form, Zlatan IMO also had a slight dip in form that's what I can say about the Bayern game

 

[Primo]

Do we need to send them on holiday to get back the form we miss???

Why is it happening now so early in the season.

 

[Eddy]

The form will come back
You'll see

 

[Beto]

I would miss them also if they were sent on holiday break.

But you are right, Juve shouldn't have to depend so much on certain players. However, when there are players like camo and Zlatan, it is very hard for another player to do the same kind of job that they do. But they sould not fall apart when a player is missing.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

the problem that most of the times when juve wins its not convincing. thats why slips like the one against milan dont surprise me as much

 

[simpson-juvefan]

I think its just normal that Teams which have games every week at the higest level have some dip in form! You can't win every game, you can't put in the same attitude, agressive, determination every day.

 

[Eddy]

except for vieira

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm not sure if what we have seen thus far was a dip in form...I mean we have basically played the same way in every match so this season. The only differences have been the number of chances we have created in each match and how the individual players have performed. Not one match from Juventus this season has made me think "wow, we are the best team in the world" because the performances in all honesty have not been something to write home about.

The defeats we have suffered thus far have been in the most difficult tasks of the season, and what is worrying about this is that in each of the losses we have been played off the park. I would not be worried if we had played well in these tasks, however we struggled against Bayern away and did not even look entirely convincing at the Delle Alpi. We continue to just chug along with every passing match and in this respect it's difficult to tell whether or not we have suffered from a lack of form yet..

 

[Beto]

it's true they have not been very convincing. It's seems like the team in general has had a dip in form or maybe the teamwork, and they only do well in some matches

 

[Desmond]

Maybe we don't have to hit top form all the time, if you know what I mean. It's very rare that a team manages to maintain form for an entire season; Juve usually start and end the season very well and the dip in form mid-season is to be expected.

We've been successful as such, and perform more consistently than most other teams. I don't see the point in tweaking anything to find a perfect formula because there isn't one.

 

[ZhiXin]

I agree with Desmond on this.

It's impossible to be on top form for every opponent we face. If Juventus does this, it will create unnecessary stress for our players, who will perform off form. Besides our players r humans, not machines. It is inevitable that they will be tired and not perform to their highest level (eg the 1 - 0 Messina win). Sometimes complacency also account for this case (eg the Bayern 2 - 1 alway lost) and poor ideas from the coach when we were down.(Milan 3 - 1 lost).

Even though it is true that we may have won, there's 1 feedback that I like to make which is the way we scrapped off Udinese, Ascoli and Parma, in which we don't really deserve to win. Sometimes we need press them and create more chances for a win, not the other way round.We should limit the chances we give to our opponents.

To conclude, I would say that it is impossible for the players to input the same attitude, agressive and determination inevery match. If we r facing a small team in between of 2 big matches, I would be glad if we win only 1 - 0, becos the team needs to rest and recharge our batteries to play against the tougher opponent (for example the Messina 1 - 0 game). I would say that the effort we put in is dependent on the opponent, as long as we get the result, I would be satisfied, as long as we don't get pressed by the opposition.

 

[Dominic]

What worries me most about this dip in form we experience each year, is how it always seems to cost us the CL. It's so predictable, we start the season amazingly well(resultwise anyway) in serie A and CL, win our group and the winter-stop starts. Our form suffers a huge dip around this time, often it starts shortly before the winter-break in Serie A, but it costs us after the winter-break is over. We give away needless points (remember the consecutive defeats against Samp and was it Palermo, last season?) and we seem to play very lacklustre.

We always seem to overcome the mid-season dip though, and close the season on a high with a good run of results. Though in CL that form comes to late, as our mid-season dip was costly against Liverpool last season. When the entire team was off-form, though some other factors came into play too(playing an off-form/unfit nedved, the 442 while we had recently been winning with the 4-3-3).

Most aggrevating thing about this, is that it happens every single season in almost the same fashion. That relatively short, yet so vital, dip in form in mid-season, which inevitably costs us the CL. I don't know wether it has something to do with the (lack of) depth in our squad or not. If so, we should be able to handle it better this season. Frankly though, I don't think the lack of depth is the problem. It's probably more of a psychological problem. A certain result which triggers this dip. The 2-2 draw against inter, I felt triggered it last season.

 

[Paolo Sosa]

thinking about the form, under lippi we usually had our dip in form in dec, and this is considerbaly early, but we also reach our peak in january.
but does the month really matter?

remember when we reached the final of the champion league with milan, we didn't have a greater team than we have now, but that team was hungry. players such as nedved, thuram and buffon wanted to start a new era for juve and prove they could fill in for the absence of zidane inzaghi and that era.

our main problem is that we need to refresh our formation alittle but, if we were as un predictable as in 2001-2002 we could win every thing. hell now adays we can't turn around a match ! we wait to see what the opponant first move or moves then we think about ours. that what happened in the milan match, we had some mistakes that costed us the game. we did the same in the roma game although we played much more as a team but still if roma could have converted one of thier chances to a goal in the first 20 or 25 min we could have really suffered through out this game.

 

[ZhiXin]

I'm patient to see how it turns out after winter break, will we still play strongly or be back to square 1. This is what Capello needs to do, give the players some physhological training to perform well. Squad rotation will definitely be needed to give the players a chance to play and the 1st team players to rest. But another problem is Capello himself failing to turn things round when we r trailing of a goal.

 

[Gep]

Going by the recent comments from spain Capello should go. As long as Zlatan stays tho. Dont wanna see a deja vu scenario like what happened to Roma when Capello left.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

no way capello takes Zlatan with him to spain.. maybe Puma but not Zlatan, Real has enough forwards as it is.