Diego, Silva or Ribéry? (18 Viewers)

Diego, Silva or Ribéry?

  • Diego Ribas da Cunha (Werder Bremen)

  • David Silva (Valencia)

  • Franck Ribéry (Bayern Munich)


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only-juve

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I'd say a winger that can score 42 goals and be the top scorer in both the league and CL is in a class of his own.
He's a great talent nodoubt but he had the most shots attempts in the league last season (i read that somewhere) plus he started he's career with lisbon as a striker taking those two facts into cosideration i don't think that the number of goals that he scored are a phenomena.

Cristiano was the most inform player last season in europe but as a talent he's well behind a player like Messi IMO.

Again not saying that cristiano is a shity player but just saying that messi is bigger talent.
 

The Curr

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Feb 3, 2007
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Like Zlatan, Cannavaro, Thuram, Camoranesi and Trezeguet?

I hate it when people make players out to be saints. They're all employees like you and me, would you not go to another company if yours was going to give you a paycut or wasn't matching your ambitions or if you had a better offer somewhere else. If you're going to preach about loyalty, then it should be a 2 way relationship. But wouldn't Juventus or any other football club for that matter get rid of their players as soon as they get old\lose their form?
Buffon and Del Piero aren't like that.
 

Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
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Like Zlatan, Cannavaro, Thuram, Camoranesi and Trezeguet?

I hate it when people make players out to be saints. They're all employees like you and me, would you not go to another company if yours was going to give you a paycut or wasn't matching your ambitions or if you had a better offer somewhere else. If you're going to preach about loyalty, then it should be a 2 way relationship. But wouldn't Juventus or any other football club for that matter get rid of their players as soon as they get old\lose their form?
This is a day late, but I thought I should at least clarify my point. By the way, I was a bit of an ass Burke, so I apologize for being harsh. Anyways, to Fred's point.

I wasn't trying to make all of our players out to be saints; clearly they're not. I also wasn't trying to say that players should not be allowed to choose where the play. Furthermore, it's obvious that clubs get rid of players when they are no longer useful. It's a business, we all know that.

Our best players went down to purgatory with us and brought us back. Those best players for me were ADP, Buffon, and Nedved - sentimental favorites, also. I love Camo and Trez, they're our Champions as well. I know they needed some relatively forceful convincing, but lets get real.

Relegation to Serie B is a FAR CRY from remaining with the current European Champions. It's a pretty damn rare and extreme situation these Juventus players encountered, wouldn't you say?

Beyond that, Thuram was getting older, same with Canna, so even if I didn't appreciate their departure, I understood it. Furthermore, Juventus had to sell some players to balance the books, given the financial losses.

As for Zlatan, I hate him even more than CR7, for reasons that should be fairly apparent. I don't want to waste any more time on that fuckwad here.

Sir Alex really helped groom CR7, and mold him into the player he has become. Ronaldo basically spit in his face with the way he behaved last summer. All of the success went straight to his head (which I can somewhat understand), and he forgot about those who put him in a position to be successful.

The way Ronaldo tried to manipulate the club through the media, and the disrespect he showed to the club, it's fans and his teammates by being so public about his interest in Real Madrid's courtship was pathetic. At least that's what I thought. The guy was just thriving on seeing his name everywhere. He's entitled to play wherever he wants to, but you could probably find 20 legitimate CR7 quotes floating around that were pretty disrespectful to the ManUre faithful.

He basically tried to cut the legs out from under ManU's bargaining position with Madrid. I understand that is sometimes unavoidable in negotiations, but when a club has treated you as well as ManUre has treated CR7, that respect should be reciprocated. In this case, that means not talking to reporters about internal matters, and handling the situation behind closed doors, instead of trying to work the media for every possible advantage.
 

Fred

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But if you really think of it, they'd sell him the minute he stops performing. Would anyone condemn them if they did? I thought so, so why the double standards?
 

Rollie

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But if you really think of it, they'd sell him the minute he stops performing. Would anyone condemn them if they did? I thought so, so why the double standards?
How can you say that I have a double standard here? I'm talking about a specific situation, where I didn't like the behavior of the player. If a club treated a loyal player like shit, I'd be pissed off at the club also. If a club took all of their grievances about a player to the media, I'd be disappointed in the way they handled internal business - in fact, I have been many times before, and condemned clubs the same way I speak ill of Ronaldo now. I had brief thoughts of quitting on my favorite hockey team of the past 19 years for precisely this reason (See Joe Thornton, Boston Bruins) Ultimately, I'm just looking for a little class from both sides, I suppose.

I wrote in the previous post that I don't care if a player wants to play somewhere else. I also don't care if he signs for mega bucks, or chases the mega bucks. I do care about how that player conducts himself during the process of obtaining his goals. Same goes for the club. Ronaldo conducted himself like a pompous ass - although that tends to generally be his way.

Beyond that Fred, even if a team does sell a player, said player is still getting paid. This isn't NFL football (American), where most contracts are non-guaranteed. These european futbol players aren't getting the raw end of the stick, they're not "slaves" like some fucking idiots contend. They really have very little to complain about in the current system; some of them can even buy themselves out of their contracts for a pittance.

The club takes on the lion's share of the financial risk (player sucks so the team can't move him, or get a proper return on his transfer fee, or the player gets hurt, etc). Clubs also form the infrastructure of any given league. The club wouldn't pay the player if they weren't allowed to consider him one of their assets, to be kept or dealt as they see fit - that's the very essence of the contract; without this mutual agreement/understanding, professional futbol would cease to exist as we know it, and all these players would no longer be a part of one of the world's greatest professions.
 

Rollie

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By the way, good luck tomorrow. My best mate is a Gooner fan, and we're contemplating going to a place called Cafe Roma to watch the match. Damn English, always trying to stir up trouble.
 
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