Diego Ribas da Cunha (10 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

And the players at his disposal don't provide me with much confidence at this point. This was simply an awful season and a change in strategy is needed. We agree on Diego.

By your logic, the issues this year were more strategy based than personnel based and I don't think you believe that.

In my mind Diego should stay but I can think of at least ten players who need to go and that begins with Trezeguet and Amauri. There needs to be wholesale changes.

It was a combination of problems.

But folks act like the straight 4-4-2 is some sort of God-like system. It's not. It doesn't work unless you have good wingers and pace. We have none.

To sell one of your better players because he doesn't suit your favored system is the definition of poor man-management.

Not that I'm surprised, though. I could see how this bunch of retards would automatically tie down our failure last season to how we did not use the straight 4-4-2. It's a predictable decision with these folks in charge of the team.

 

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[giovanotti]

Excellent, Ahmed.

"Digo" was just a typo I made once?
I mean what's so funny about that, and just several months before you asked me not to comment your posts and to avoid you...did you miss me, because you obviously started to comment every damn thing that is linked with me. I see no point and honestly I can't understand why is your EGO suffering to such an extant that you have an irresistible desire to start an internet fight with someone (me in this case).

 

[Dave36]

It was a combination of problems.

But folks act like the straight 4-4-2 is some sort of God-like system. It's not. It doesn't work unless you have good wingers and pace. We have none.

To sell one of your better players because he doesn't suit your favored system is the definition of poor man-management.

Not that I'm surprised, though. I could see how this bunch of retards would automatically tie down our failure last season to how we did not use the straight 4-4-2. It's a predictable decision with these folks in charge of the team.

I hear what you're saying - I don't have the pessimistic attitude towards the new administration that you have. Outside of Diego - is there anyone who's been rumored to exit that you'd be upset about? I'd be fine if they offloaded Camo, Trez, Amauri, whoever.

 

[bianconero]

It was a combination of problems.

But folks act like the straight 4-4-2 is some sort of God-like system. It's not. It doesn't work unless you have good wingers and pace. We have none.

To sell one of your better players because he doesn't suit your favored system is the definition of poor man-management.

Not that I'm surprised, though. I could see how this bunch of retards would automatically tie down our failure last season to how we did not use the straight 4-4-2. It's a predictable decision with these folks in charge of the team.

Let me get thus straight:

Del Neri is a shit coach
4-4-2 is a shit system that only works with fast great wingers
Wing-backs are better tha wingers
The management are retards


Correct?

 

[only-juve]

It was a combination of problems.

But folks act like the straight 4-4-2 is some sort of God-like system. It's not. It doesn't work unless you have good wingers and pace. We have none.

To sell one of your better players because he doesn't suit your favored system is the definition of poor man-management.

Not that I'm surprised, though. I could see how this bunch of retards would automatically tie down our failure last season to how we did not use the straight 4-4-2. It's a predictable decision with these folks in charge of the team.

I said the same thing just yesterday in this threat. The idea of selling your best players just so that a coach can use his favorite system is stupid and shows how limited a coach really is.

The formation should be based on the players that you have in the team (not the other way around). Unless you're a mourinho or alex ferguson, "as a club" you don't sell your best players just for the sake of the coach (specifically not an average one for sure).

 

[Dave36]

I said the same thing just yesterday in this threat. The idea of selling your best players just so that a coach can use his favorite system is stupid and shows how limited a coach really is.

The formation should be based on the players that you have in the team (not the other way around). Unless you're a mourinho or alex ferguson, "as a club" you don't sell your best players just for the sake of the coach (specifically not an average one for sure).

It doesn't appear that Del Neri is set to sell everyone - we don't even know for sure if he Diego is on the way out. My point is this:
If Juve are selling players this offseason it may be because they didn't fit a 4-4-2 or whatever but ultimately it comes down to they're getting sold because they underperformed last year. If Diego played incredible this past season, it wouldn't be a topic of conversation. He was ok to good at best so now it's a possibility. That's just how it is.

 

[Bjerknes]

It doesn't appear that Del Neri is set to sell everyone - we don't even know for sure if he Diego is on the way out. My point is this:
If Juve are selling players this offseason it may be because they didn't fit a 4-4-2 or whatever but ultimately it comes down to they're getting sold because they underperformed last year. If Diego played incredible this past season, it wouldn't be a topic of conversation. He was ok to good at best so now it's a possibility. That's just how it is.

If you follow that logic, then every single player should be sold. Nobody had an outstanding year last year, but Diego wasn't one of the worst.

To be honest, I'm not really sure what you're defending here.

 

[bianconero]

It doesn't appear that Del Neri is set to sell everyone - we don't even know for sure if he Diego is on the way out. My point is this:
If Juve are selling players this offseason it may be because they didn't fit a 4-4-2 or whatever but ultimately it comes down to they're getting sold because they underperformed last year. If Diego played incredible this past season, it wouldn't be a topic of conversation. He was ok to good at best so now it's a possibility. That's just how it is.

You make good points clearly, and good sense.

Among the rant here you are a welcome new voice.

 

[Dave36]

If you follow that logic, then every single player should be sold. Nobody had an outstanding year last year, but Diego wasn't one of the worst.

To be honest, I'm not really sure what you're defending here.

Whilst it's impractical to suggest that every player be sold - there are more that should be sold than those that should be kept.

My point: if Diego had a monstrous year Del Neri/Morrata would find a way to integrate him - maybe they would even avoid playing a 4-4-2 because Diego is good enough to justify a specific formation. Up to this point he hasn't shown that - he hasn't shown that he can be a dominating force in Serie A. Therefore it seems to me that they're not comfortable banking an entire season on his abilities. I don't think that's unreasonble.

 

[Bjerknes]

Whilst it's impractical to suggest that every player be sold - there are more that should be sold than those that should be kept.

My point: if Diego had a monstrous year Del Neri/Morrata would find a way to integrate him - maybe they would even avoid playing a 4-4-2 because Diego is good enough to justify a specific formation. Up to this point he hasn't shown that - he hasn't shown that he can be a dominating force in Serie A. Therefore it seems to me that they're not comfortable banking an entire season on his abilities. I don't think that's unreasonble.

And where is the basis to revert back to the straight 4-4-2? Where are our solid wingers, where is our pace?

Seems to me you're not really following the discussion here. You seem to not understand that it is foolish to not use a formation that suits our players.

 

[The Curr]

And where is the basis to revert back to the straight 4-4-2? Where are our solid wingers, where is our pace?

Seems to me you're not really following the discussion here. You seem to not understand that it is foolish to not use a formation that suits our players.

No formation suits our current players. Whatever formation we use, we have to make signings for it.

 

[Nicholas]

Andy aslong as it's not a rigid 4-4-2 then it could easily become 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-4(when attacking) Personally I think Diego will stay. We'll revert to one Striker and have Diego supporting him.

 

[Dave36]

No formation suits our current players. Whatever formation we use, we have to make signings for it.

That's my point - thank you for saying it better than I could!:hellyes:

 

[Bjerknes]

No formation suits our current players. Whatever formation we use, we have to make signings for it.

Try to look at things as they are, not as you wish them to be.

 

[bianconero]

He is recontructing the team to bring in pace and width, that's makes sense.

 

[Nicholas]

He is recontructing the team to bring in pace and width, that's makes sense.

Something we lacked last season and made us so predictable.

Now in no way am I comparing the two players but can Diego not opt for the role Zidane used to play for us?

 

[Bjerknes]

That's my point - thank you for saying it better than I could!:hellyes:

You were not saying that at all. You were only trying to defend the decision to drop Diego.

 

[bianconero]

Try to look at things as they are, not as you wish them to be.

A coach job is to look and create a team as he wishes them to be.

I guess in your eye that makes Del Neri a shit coach.

 

[The Curr]

Try to look at things as they are, not as you wish them to be.

What's that supposed to mean? I don't see how you can disagree with what I said.

 

[Dave36]

You were not saying that at all. You were only trying to defend the decision to drop Diego.

No - read my previous posts. No one played well enough last year to warrant altering a formation towards their style of play aka we badly need better, quicker, more creative players.

I said I think we should keep Diego, I said that, but he didn't play well enough last year to justify avoiding a 4-4-2 just to suit his style of play.