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not so much macho...my closest of brotherly friends are a colourful mixture...Indeed, some of them are big hearted but mean when pushed brutes, but another is one of the most highly sought after patet attorneys in europe, another is an ex mafioso nepolitan catholic sage rasta buddhist, another is a dark prince of poetry...The only common threads between them and me, are honesty, fierce integrity, and love. I adored baggio, for example, as he had god given talent, and something quite severe about his spirit...i could never tell what it was exactly, but it was there. He grimaced far more than I saw him smile. An interesting buddhisto...with the midas touch on the football field...I have no desire to get involved in a puerile gay joke exchange, and harbour no embarassment for openly describing men i have strong love towards. My life has been spent, a vast portion of it, chasing, entrapping and then being slowly decimated, by various she bitches and hippy goddesses, and also, talking to strangers often and openly enough to uncover some true human gems, who are brothers to me, as familial as my mother, and cats, and dog...decency, honour, valour...wicked traits to hunt down and work on improving in myself.
Dude, Cantona is very popular, and for a good reason, he was despite being bit of a madman (too much so early in his career, calmed down later), an iconic mofo (dude was simply awesome personality wise, no one can be that typically arrogant frenchy and still be liked
as he was) and charismatic legend with lots of flair and skill, I dont think even the rival fans disliked him much despite his ways (he was a spectacle, on and off the pitch, hehe), I mean FFS some of them started popping their collar after him 
And defenitely as a player he was very good, but he is a Man U legend and EPL, but other then that, many who watched him, Man U fans, included would begrudgingly say that he wasnt more then that, he never took off in his career internationally speaking, in continental football, or stood out to get the kind of reputation the top top players did. He simply didnt deliver outside a not so strong EPL (and his numbers there are good, 13-14 leagues a season, but nothing great or such), to get that kind of reputation and be valued with the best around. Its unfortunate, because he blew his chance in the French NT (thats a scenario where his strong bad boy personality worked against him), and did little to nothing in the European stage, its unfortunate but defenitely someone who didnt take his career to a higher standard (because he was really talented).
I totally understand your above post in sentiment, but when it comes down to it, there are lots of players he were better then, but he didnt reach the heights the real top players did at their best. And its no disrespect to him, but the EPL he dominated and stood out in was a quite barren EPL (him and Le Tissier were great to watch, but it was a league that had little, Shearer, Ian Wright, Cascoigne for some years, but very little else, the quality players like the latter were leaving the league), far from what it became later. Its not to demean him (and it isnt really, he was still a quality player, but just made it easier for him to stand out without much other of players like that), but the league in overall really was.
For example, newcomers of the likes of Bergkamp and especially Henry, who started the wave of quality foreign players, are unquestionably better players then him (Bergkamp was so ridicolous, that even if he didnt play much European games, he was still voted in top 3 in Golden ball and FIFA awards), especially Henry who is way better better in EPL wise (ofcourse overall too). It was a league that didnt have enough competion in terms of profile quality names. For example, Zola was a great player, but one who had a little bit hard career in Italy after a while and was cast aside a bit in Parma and NT for other players (very competetive back then with lots of quality players, harder to stand out with likes of Baggio et al), and he came to EPL and dominated like hell, and stood out aloooooot in EPL, and that wasnt only because of his sheer quality but because of coming to league with little players like him (Del Piero was one of those players who overshadowed Zola in League and took ze NT spot, imagine if he was in EPL back then? He would also seem to be way better then he was, and back then, he was near unstoppable in League and CL).
Again, I totally understand your sentiment of liking him (though hard men are fine, but I would hardly say one get as much pleasure watching Giorgo as with Ale
You need your head checked ), and for those reasons, but its different matter when he is to be compared to top players who showed more and acheived more then he did. He could have been more, but he stopped at being domestic league legend then a one of in overall football, that competed with the better players of that time. P.S Damn your long post made me post even longer one
how can someone compaire del piero with cantona and even ibrahimovic who only stars in the weakest and the most 3 controversial Serie A and a player who can only stars against weak teams like siena and its not enough because he can use his elbow as much as he needs to drag defenders to score.
ibrahimovic just like c.ronaldo, big game flop (ask chiellini, carragher, a.cole...etc)
and cantona is good but not good enough to be compaired with Del Piero
ibrahimovic just like c.ronaldo, big game flop (ask chiellini, carragher, a.cole...etc)
and cantona is good but not good enough to be compaired with Del Piero
Osman, your post was superb. And it appears that you DO have a decent understand of the premiership of the 90s, and beyond, which makes me far more willing, eager even, to post on this forum...As I am in Australia, presently, I sorely miss the daily, often hourly opportunies I had in England, to use for discussion of footballing matters. Its a huge patch of common ground between most men and myself and when life becomes routine, football continues to provide excitement, pain, pleasure, joy. I appreciated your post, for its objectivity and knowledge...and you have reminded me of Le Tissier...I will have to seek out some footage of the chubby cherub, relive the glorious memories he provided.
Truly, I gleam as much pleasure from witnessing the work of cultured thugs, such as Montero, Kohler, Cannavaro...those types...and its a shame that as the popularity and financial value of the premiership has increased, so has the stamping out of such players in England, in the top tier. No more Vinny Jones...or Julian Dicks...or Cantonas for that matter...In Italy, despite the irritating accusations of many british supporters, along the lines of 'they are fuking pansies, dan...prancing ballerinas...', I have always thought that the italian game is far dirtier. The refs let much more go...And my response to their attempts to ruffle my feathers, is a puffing out of my chest, and a squawking 'the only league, nation if you want me to generalize, where an unsettling majority of the players in the top flight are divers...is SPAIN.'
Truly, I gleam as much pleasure from witnessing the work of cultured thugs, such as Montero, Kohler, Cannavaro...those types...and its a shame that as the popularity and financial value of the premiership has increased, so has the stamping out of such players in England, in the top tier. No more Vinny Jones...or Julian Dicks...or Cantonas for that matter...In Italy, despite the irritating accusations of many british supporters, along the lines of 'they are fuking pansies, dan...prancing ballerinas...', I have always thought that the italian game is far dirtier. The refs let much more go...And my response to their attempts to ruffle my feathers, is a puffing out of my chest, and a squawking 'the only league, nation if you want me to generalize, where an unsettling majority of the players in the top flight are divers...is SPAIN.'
Kudos 
How the fuck can you forget Le God? Le Tissier and Cantona, Cantona for his sublime dribbles and just pure funny ass antics, and Le Tissiers insane goals, were the SOLE reason I watched EPL in early-mid 90s as a kid (and BOTH frenchies ). And I wont bother saying Tissier is better then this or that (but I will say I never seen a single player carry a club litterally on his on like that, and that he IS the best shooter I ever seen), but I challenge anyone to find someone who scored THIS many outrageous goals (really is someone one was fortunate to see):
Unbelieveable.
How the fuck can you forget Le God?
Le Tissier and Cantona, Cantona for his sublime dribbles and just pure funny ass antics, and Le Tissiers insane goals, were the SOLE reason I watched EPL in early-mid 90s as a kid (and BOTH frenchies ). And I wont bother saying Tissier is better then this or that (but I will say I never seen a single player carry a club litterally on his on like that, and that he IS the best shooter I ever seen), but I challenge anyone to find someone who scored THIS many outrageous goals (really is someone one was fortunate to see):Unbelieveable.
I am at work so unable to play youtube...but will take a peek tonight, mate. I met a saints supporter last week, a intense looking cafe assistant who grew up in hampshire, and talk of Le Tissier made him move from almost a corpse like stupour into an excited kid. Without even seeing those highlights, I will agree with you, from memory...He is a player who could shoot from ANYWHERE, from obscene distance, with unerring accuracy, and he did it all with an air of nonchalance...never seemed to break sweat or be straining himself, approaching his matches like a kick around the park with his mates.
Weedguru: Ofcourse he would lit up, how many years didnt he only not entertain the heck out of them, but basically kept them up on his own?
He is a rarity of modern football (where physical abilities is way more important then it used to be), used to be players like him a bit while back, but not in his time til today. He was simply an average joe in every sense except his ridicolous footballing ability, he was rather lazy at times (bit like Berbagod now, hehe), just walking around in the games except few bursts, his physical qualities barely adequate was more of a hindrance then a plus. He looked like an awkward school janitor basically, but still showed on the pitch, what mattered was sheer ability, and showing that ridicolous ability with minimum fuss (another player who is even more eerie in how insanely calm and carefree he did his magic, was Romario).
If you showed a football novice a Southampton-Man U game (with all their stars), seeing a lanky goofy looking Le Tissier conserving his energy and just walking around, and asked that novice who does he think will do something outrageous, Le Tissier would be the least likely one to guess on (if not Giggs and et al, prolly on appearance alone, would guess on other Saints players), and would shock the hell out of anyone who havent seen him before. I know I was first time I saw him (not to be nostalgic, but that was some ridicolous shit for a 9 year old to see).
He is a rarity of modern football (where physical abilities is way more important then it used to be), used to be players like him a bit while back, but not in his time til today. He was simply an average joe in every sense except his ridicolous footballing ability, he was rather lazy at times (bit like Berbagod now, hehe), just walking around in the games except few bursts, his physical qualities barely adequate was more of a hindrance then a plus. He looked like an awkward school janitor basically, but still showed on the pitch, what mattered was sheer ability, and showing that ridicolous ability with minimum fuss (another player who is even more eerie in how insanely calm and carefree he did his magic, was Romario).
If you showed a football novice a Southampton-Man U game (with all their stars), seeing a lanky goofy looking Le Tissier conserving his energy and just walking around, and asked that novice who does he think will do something outrageous, Le Tissier would be the least likely one to guess on (if not Giggs and et al, prolly on appearance alone, would guess on other Saints players), and would shock the hell out of anyone who havent seen him before. I know I was first time I saw him (not to be nostalgic, but that was some ridicolous shit for a 9 year old to see).
My only other decent memory of the Saints of the 90s was a player who I only watched a handful of times, a huge black destroyer called Van B or G-something...Every time he ran forward, with or without the ball at his feet, he ran through players, they bounced off him and crumpled under his feet. A pure locomotive...not much ability, as a footballer, but as a human battering ram, who seemingly felt no pain, nor remorse, i have seen few like him since...what was his name????? Van Gobbel??? gobbling up opponents with a raucous, vengeful appetite...???
Van Gobbel received a 4 month prison sentence for buying cars on credit and selling them on without paying the car company. Although the Dutch police have not been able to locate Van Gobbel, it is believed he is in Suriname.
this sounds like the guy...hohoho. On the run, eh gobbel!
Van Gobbel received a 4 month prison sentence for buying cars on credit and selling them on without paying the car company. Although the Dutch police have not been able to locate Van Gobbel, it is believed he is in Suriname.
this sounds like the guy...hohoho. On the run, eh gobbel!
Anyway, enough reminiscing...I should make a thread somewhere for discussion of such matters, and now draw the focus of this thread back to its roots. Mr Diego...
I can barely contain my excitement about his potential impact in Serie A. In a Juve shirt...I keep dreaming of seeing him become one of the greatest players in history, let alone the Now...the weight of hope, more than expectation is huge, and he knows it, but rather than seem to bother him, we see him jokinh, laughing and relaxed. and in his brief time playing anything approaching competitive action thus far, he has looked exceptional, more than merely a cut above the level of quality around the rest of the team, in terms of creativity, flair and control.
With the high quality forward line we have, we we finally see their true worth, as the chances are going to be flowing thicker, faster and with vastly increased regularity. No more constant crossing from the flanks, due to a flatness of creativity in midfield. Now we have someone to can unlock ANY defence...
We all love him already. And it feels good...to be part of this Diego wave of joy and enthusiasm.
I can barely contain my excitement about his potential impact in Serie A. In a Juve shirt...I keep dreaming of seeing him become one of the greatest players in history, let alone the Now...the weight of hope, more than expectation is huge, and he knows it, but rather than seem to bother him, we see him jokinh, laughing and relaxed. and in his brief time playing anything approaching competitive action thus far, he has looked exceptional, more than merely a cut above the level of quality around the rest of the team, in terms of creativity, flair and control.
With the high quality forward line we have, we we finally see their true worth, as the chances are going to be flowing thicker, faster and with vastly increased regularity. No more constant crossing from the flanks, due to a flatness of creativity in midfield. Now we have someone to can unlock ANY defence...
We all love him already. And it feels good...to be part of this Diego wave of joy and enthusiasm.
But whats gonna happen when Diego gets hurt for like a month or something, what will happen to the Juve style of play?? The one thing i have hated the most since i started watching football is a team dependent on one man. Such case is with ManU who, no doubt will have serious problems now that they lost Shitface Cockmaster 7. Such was the situation with Barca when they lost top on the form Ronaldinho, the were strugling hard. Ok, now they have Messi, put you get my point. I dont wanna see us turn into a team that is too much dependent souly on one man and when (if) we loose him, have big headaches...
Well, i also dont worry so much i was just shearing my oppinion. Many greats have come gone in Juventus and they are still the best club in the whole world.....
Just one more thing, does any of you have the feeling that players from the other teams will deliberatly try to injure Diego right at the start of the season??? I keep having this big fear that they will deliberatly try to injure him.........
Just one more thing, does any of you have the feeling that players from the other teams will deliberatly try to injure Diego right at the start of the season??? I keep having this big fear that they will deliberatly try to injure him.........
It hapened in the past and it will happen all again.
When defenders and the like feel obliterated or simply do not have a way to stop a force in the form of the maradona´s the messi´s the baggio´s and the like.... sometimes there is no other way but to resort to fouls and dangerous moves to stop them.
This gets more noticeably when your pride and job is at stake and you are ridiculized time after time during a match by this kind of players.
Some simply cannot keep it cool and thats when the problems arise. Some purposedly go for dangerous tackles to hurt the players. There will always be some materazzis around to ensure that.
When defenders and the like feel obliterated or simply do not have a way to stop a force in the form of the maradona´s the messi´s the baggio´s and the like.... sometimes there is no other way but to resort to fouls and dangerous moves to stop them.
This gets more noticeably when your pride and job is at stake and you are ridiculized time after time during a match by this kind of players.
Some simply cannot keep it cool and thats when the problems arise. Some purposedly go for dangerous tackles to hurt the players. There will always be some materazzis around to ensure that.
I was not involved in this debate at all, I was not compairing anyone, you should read before you post. I just stated an observation since weedguru is a newer member and isn't aware of the fact, he is now though, that for some members, it's DP>God. That is plainly obvious. And you acting all "Gendarme" for your precious DP, is just as boring, if not more.
The Premiership back in the mid 90's. 
Ah, the memories.
Then, of course, SKY wrecked it.
Ah, the memories.
Then, of course, SKY wrecked it.
ManU was a breakthrough after many years of suffering being inferior to Italian,German and specially Spanish clubs. SKY brought them money,SKY brought them fame around the world and SKY produced them a major european and world trophies.....and isn't that what a football is played for?