I think Marotta got owned by Wolfsburg. Elmer Fudd thought that Dzeko will be available for next summer and he gave Diego away cheaply to improve relationship with them.
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No, the Dzeko to City becoming official reminded me of the discussions we had some 4 months ago. Back then we discussed the 3 possible scenarios why was Diego sold to Wolfsburg. Now 2 of those are left.
Unfortunately the one we all hoped was the reason we sold Diego to Wolfsburg turned out to be only wishful thinking.
Unfortunately the one we all hoped was the reason we sold Diego to Wolfsburg turned out to be only wishful thinking.
The Diego 'Giveaway’: Not As Bad As It Seems
As the transfer of Edin Džeko to Manchester City becomes ever more a reality, fans of Juventus are growing increasingly disillusioned with a piece of transfer business conducted by Beppe Marotta this summer. It is a widely held belief (one I share) that the sale of Diego to Wolfsburg secured an option on the flavour-of-the-month Bosnian hit-man. The Brazilian play-maker all but confirmed it during this interview on BeyondthePitch.net in October. While the club may well have been given the opportunity to match any offer made by the Premier League club it is likely to be beyond the means of the Bianconeri to do so at present, which begs the question: Why sell Diego so cheaply?
First there are a few things to consider, chief among which is the circumstances which led to the current situation. Wolfsburg have endured a nightmare start to life under Steve McClaren, sitting in thirteenth place in the sixteen team Bundesliga, with only four wins this season. This has led to Džeko growing restless and pushing for a transfer away, believing his skills and stature warrant a grander stage. The rules governing the transfer of players from countries outside the European Union to Serie A make a January move to Juventus impossible, leaving the Turin club seemingly helpless as Roberto Mancini’s side sign yet another of World football’s most promising talents.
So, if Juventus choose not to exercise the option, or if one never existed at all, where does that leave the sale of Diego for €15.5m, a fee many believe to be far too low. In cold cash terms clearly Juve lost €9m when subtracting that fee from the €24.5m purchase price, but like all things in football and finance, it is never that simple. (Take a deep breath at this point, it’s about to get technical)
The value on the clubs accounts at the time of sale would, as with any asset, be reduced by amortisation, which was €4.9m annually - €24.5m divided by 5 years of the contract. The player signed for Juve on May 26 2009 and was sold to Wolfsburg on August 27 2010 meaning he spent 15 months as at the club. Therefore the amortisation would have been €6.1m - €4.9m x 15/12 - giving him a value of €18.4m (€24.5m less €6.1m). This means that the loss on sale in the accounts would 'only’ have been €2.9m (€15.5m less €18.4m) - some distance from the initial impression the deal gives.
In addition the harsh economic climate led to a drop of almost 40% in transfer spending among the top five European leagues this summer, and with the impending implementation of UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations pending this trend is likely to continue. Had he remained at the club he would have earned a further €3.5m this season and, with the system employed by coach Gigi Delneri he would have always been the proverbial square peg in a round hole.
But rather than simply write this loss down as Beppe Marotta moving the player on before his value dropped even further, we must look at the space he left behind and how it has been filled. Many people thought he was a fantastic player, a real difference maker, but would he have had the impact on the side that Alberto Aquilani and Fabio Quagliarella have enjoyed in his absence? Neither player would have fit the system had the Brazilian trequartista remained in Turin, his lack of defensive ability would have demanded a much different tactical framework.
For proof we only need look to Sampdoria where Delneri used a similar player in terms of ability and stature - Antonio Cassano - in behind a lone striker throughout last season. Behind those two attacking players was a very functional four man midfield, with two mediani type central midfielders and two wingers. While this may have worked it is hard to argue it would be more effective than the team in it’s current guise, sitting just five points off the summit of Serie A and having scored more goals than any other side in the league.
Edin Džeko may never arrive, but that does not make selling Diego a poor decision on any level. Yes the club lost money on the transfer, but not as much as you might first think and Marotta has moved wisely on the market. Blaming Diego for the disaster that was last season is clearly wrong as the team never suited him nor helped him to perform at his best, yet it now thrives without him having moved in an entirely different direction. The Direttore Generale secured replacements that have certainly impressed and formed part of a side that has allowed Juventus fans to believe in their club once again, and that is priceless.
http://iltifosi.tumblr.com/post/2608116031/the-diego-giveaway-not-as-bad-as-it-seems
As the transfer of Edin Džeko to Manchester City becomes ever more a reality, fans of Juventus are growing increasingly disillusioned with a piece of transfer business conducted by Beppe Marotta this summer. It is a widely held belief (one I share) that the sale of Diego to Wolfsburg secured an option on the flavour-of-the-month Bosnian hit-man. The Brazilian play-maker all but confirmed it during this interview on BeyondthePitch.net in October. While the club may well have been given the opportunity to match any offer made by the Premier League club it is likely to be beyond the means of the Bianconeri to do so at present, which begs the question: Why sell Diego so cheaply?
First there are a few things to consider, chief among which is the circumstances which led to the current situation. Wolfsburg have endured a nightmare start to life under Steve McClaren, sitting in thirteenth place in the sixteen team Bundesliga, with only four wins this season. This has led to Džeko growing restless and pushing for a transfer away, believing his skills and stature warrant a grander stage. The rules governing the transfer of players from countries outside the European Union to Serie A make a January move to Juventus impossible, leaving the Turin club seemingly helpless as Roberto Mancini’s side sign yet another of World football’s most promising talents.
So, if Juventus choose not to exercise the option, or if one never existed at all, where does that leave the sale of Diego for €15.5m, a fee many believe to be far too low. In cold cash terms clearly Juve lost €9m when subtracting that fee from the €24.5m purchase price, but like all things in football and finance, it is never that simple. (Take a deep breath at this point, it’s about to get technical)
The value on the clubs accounts at the time of sale would, as with any asset, be reduced by amortisation, which was €4.9m annually - €24.5m divided by 5 years of the contract. The player signed for Juve on May 26 2009 and was sold to Wolfsburg on August 27 2010 meaning he spent 15 months as at the club. Therefore the amortisation would have been €6.1m - €4.9m x 15/12 - giving him a value of €18.4m (€24.5m less €6.1m). This means that the loss on sale in the accounts would 'only’ have been €2.9m (€15.5m less €18.4m) - some distance from the initial impression the deal gives.
In addition the harsh economic climate led to a drop of almost 40% in transfer spending among the top five European leagues this summer, and with the impending implementation of UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations pending this trend is likely to continue. Had he remained at the club he would have earned a further €3.5m this season and, with the system employed by coach Gigi Delneri he would have always been the proverbial square peg in a round hole.
But rather than simply write this loss down as Beppe Marotta moving the player on before his value dropped even further, we must look at the space he left behind and how it has been filled. Many people thought he was a fantastic player, a real difference maker, but would he have had the impact on the side that Alberto Aquilani and Fabio Quagliarella have enjoyed in his absence? Neither player would have fit the system had the Brazilian trequartista remained in Turin, his lack of defensive ability would have demanded a much different tactical framework.
For proof we only need look to Sampdoria where Delneri used a similar player in terms of ability and stature - Antonio Cassano - in behind a lone striker throughout last season. Behind those two attacking players was a very functional four man midfield, with two mediani type central midfielders and two wingers. While this may have worked it is hard to argue it would be more effective than the team in it’s current guise, sitting just five points off the summit of Serie A and having scored more goals than any other side in the league.
Edin Džeko may never arrive, but that does not make selling Diego a poor decision on any level. Yes the club lost money on the transfer, but not as much as you might first think and Marotta has moved wisely on the market. Blaming Diego for the disaster that was last season is clearly wrong as the team never suited him nor helped him to perform at his best, yet it now thrives without him having moved in an entirely different direction. The Direttore Generale secured replacements that have certainly impressed and formed part of a side that has allowed Juventus fans to believe in their club once again, and that is priceless.
http://iltifosi.tumblr.com/post/2608116031/the-diego-giveaway-not-as-bad-as-it-seems
Agreed. I don't like that logic either.
There's are a few things in this article that comes across as the writer almost trying to convince himself of certain things.
Such as "Diego's lack of defensive ability" being a factor in the technical setup, considering he was playing as a SS in the preseason. I actually thought he was one of our better players early this year while he was still in the team, and that he was acclimating fairly well to his new position.
I don't really understand the theory that adding Krasic, and especially Aquilani (who would finally provide Diego some support from the middle, so he wouldn't have had to constantly drop back to the centerline to collect the ball) would have been tactically incompatible with Diego playing up front.
I do understand that we wouldn't have been able to do the precision book balancing that we did (= $ in and out during the mercato) without selling the player, meaning we might have missed a key addition. Sad that our finances are still so tight... still feeling the effects of the Secco era as much as anything. So many mis-steps, so many bloated contracts.
Anyway, what's done is done. I know a lot of people don't rate Diego, don't think he can play SS, and I know that he hasn't played well this year. As Seven said, his confidence is probably in the shitter, which isn't surprising given he's been moved around the pitch a bit, played for 4 coaches in a short period of time, and was sold for a considerable loss.
Qtube definitely surprised me with his play - he was certainly in the best form of his career - and his loan/purchase (initially) worked out much better than I had anticipated. It's a little up in the air now, I guess... but hopefully he'll be back to his best.
There's are a few things in this article that comes across as the writer almost trying to convince himself of certain things.
Such as "Diego's lack of defensive ability" being a factor in the technical setup, considering he was playing as a SS in the preseason. I actually thought he was one of our better players early this year while he was still in the team, and that he was acclimating fairly well to his new position.
I don't really understand the theory that adding Krasic, and especially Aquilani (who would finally provide Diego some support from the middle, so he wouldn't have had to constantly drop back to the centerline to collect the ball) would have been tactically incompatible with Diego playing up front.
I do understand that we wouldn't have been able to do the precision book balancing that we did (= $ in and out during the mercato) without selling the player, meaning we might have missed a key addition. Sad that our finances are still so tight... still feeling the effects of the Secco era as much as anything. So many mis-steps, so many bloated contracts.
Anyway, what's done is done. I know a lot of people don't rate Diego, don't think he can play SS, and I know that he hasn't played well this year. As Seven said, his confidence is probably in the shitter, which isn't surprising given he's been moved around the pitch a bit, played for 4 coaches in a short period of time, and was sold for a considerable loss.
Qtube definitely surprised me with his play - he was certainly in the best form of his career - and his loan/purchase (initially) worked out much better than I had anticipated. It's a little up in the air now, I guess... but hopefully he'll be back to his best.
If you put Diego on transfer list, won't that make the bids low? Think Krasic example, we started with low bid, and in the end we gave what CSKA wanted. Maybe we tried to play the same game with Wolfsburg, but we failed in the end. We tried to save the 10 million loss on him, for that we took this risk and let him go the last days..
I can't really trust what media writes, sure I am not presenting these to you as facts, but I am guessing it went this way. Quagliarela's transfer probably happened the last days. if he had arguments like you say with the board, and we took the opportunity.
I can't really trust what media writes, sure I am not presenting these to you as facts, but I am guessing it went this way. Quagliarela's transfer probably happened the last days. if he had arguments like you say with the board, and we took the opportunity.
Basic accounting really.
I don't "like" it either since it's a distortion of reality, but it is the way every serious business operates from an accounting point of view.
Though you could argue that the author of the piece neglects wages & bonuses, which would lead to a bigger loss. Then again, I'm 99% sure that the wages we pay come from an entirely different budget.
I don't "like" it either since it's a distortion of reality, but it is the way every serious business operates from an accounting point of view.
Though you could argue that the author of the piece neglects wages & bonuses, which would lead to a bigger loss. Then again, I'm 99% sure that the wages we pay come from an entirely different budget.
We went down very tender, the former Juventus playmaker, "The fault is certainly not the players - he told Sky Sports the former number 28 - but those who act outside (depending on the player, and society coach, Ed.) I got to see the game against Palermo, my former classmates I have not ever appeared in top condition. The qualities are there, the players are good, it is only to make them better. Who decides he does not understand anything about football, though. The future? We hope he recovers, even if I see hard ..."
Former Juventus and current Wolfsburg playmaker Diego says the players are not to blame for the Bianconeri's current slump.
The Brazilian believes that coach Luigi Del Neri and sporting director Giuseppe Marotta need to take more responsibility for the side's current league position.
"The problem has nothing to do with the players, but with those who are around them," the playmaker was reported as saying to Sportal.
"I saw the match against Palermo and my ex team-mates did not seem to be at the top of their game.
"There are a lot of good players in the squad, but they need to be managed better. Whoever decides doesn't know a lot about football.
"This Juventus side is not worthy to enter into the Champions League. I hope that they can pick themselves up, but it will not be easy because the side are in difficulty," he added.
Diego played for the Old Lady for one season before being sold to the German side.
The Brazilian believes that coach Luigi Del Neri and sporting director Giuseppe Marotta need to take more responsibility for the side's current league position.
"The problem has nothing to do with the players, but with those who are around them," the playmaker was reported as saying to Sportal.
"I saw the match against Palermo and my ex team-mates did not seem to be at the top of their game.
"There are a lot of good players in the squad, but they need to be managed better. Whoever decides doesn't know a lot about football.
"This Juventus side is not worthy to enter into the Champions League. I hope that they can pick themselves up, but it will not be easy because the side are in difficulty," he added.
Diego played for the Old Lady for one season before being sold to the German side.
