Did loverboy get it right? (5 Viewers)

[Martin]

Now you make even less sense. Why on earth would you get into a fight over someone being called a ninja? What if they had been called "pianist" or "insurance salesman"? What kind of ridiculous person takes this as an insult?

 

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[Ahmed]

if you insist on feigning innocence Mart, then there really is no point of having this discussion

 

[Martin]

There is no such thing as being guilty of bad intent. You either do the thing that you want to do or you don't. Calling someone a ninja is not an insult that I'm aware of. If you want to claim that in Brazil it is an insult, that would be another thing.

But you're claiming that this person intended to insult (which you have no way of knowing, in fact the guy in the car had no way of knowing) and yelled out "ninja", which is not an insult. And for this the police was called. So apparently the charge here is "yelling something inoffensive but with the quelled desire to insult"? So thought crime then.

I'm no fan of discrimination but this is ridiculous.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

ninja in that context is an insult, i know i use it as such. calling the police over an insult is another matter

 

[Martin]

ninja in that context is an insult, i know i use it as such. calling the police over an insult is another matter

Is it? It wouldn't have occurred to me.

I've been called a lot of things behind which there clearly was bad intent, but if it's not an insult there is no issue. I didn't call the police (or start a fight ).

 

[Osman]

It clearly is an insult, a way to mock and make a degatory remark about his wifes clothing and life style, tried to demean her quite openly, but I wouldnt call the police for it (but for sure would with the way the other guy acted...).


I heard way worse stuff, around after 9/11, for example, got into a fight because some pricks were harrassing a couple of muslim women on the street, throwing things at them, and one even attempted to take their hijab off. Me and some others chased them off. Amount of idiotic and purely racist shit that happend around that time was ridicolous.

 

[Ahmed]

Egypt mourns 'headscarf martyr'

Demonstration in Cairo proclaiming Marwa Sherbini the Hijab Martyr
Marwa Sherbini is being hailed as the shahida, or martyr, of the Hijab

The body of a Muslim woman, killed in a German courtroom by a man convicted of insulting her religion, has been taken back to her native Egypt for burial.

Marwa Sherbini, 31, was stabbed 18 times by Axel W, who is now under arrest in Dresden for suspected murder.

Husband Elwi Okaz is also in a critical condition in hospital, after being injured as he tried to save his wife.

Ms Sherbini had sued her killer after he called her a "terrorist" because of her headscarf.

The case has attracted much attention in Egypt and the Muslim world.

German prosecutors have said the 28-year-old attacker, identified only as Axel W, was driven by a deep hatred of foreigners and Muslims.

'Martyr'

Medics were unable to save Ms Sherbini who was three months pregnant with her second child. Her three-year-old son was with the family in court when she was killed.

Axel W and Ms Sherbini and family were in court for his appeal against a fine of 750 euros ($1,050) for insulting her in 2008, apparently because she was wearing the Muslim headscarf or Hijab.

Newspapers in Egypt have expressed outrage at the case, asking how it was allowed to happen and dubbing Ms Sherbini "the martyr of the Hijab".

Senior Egyptian officials and German diplomatic staff attended the funeral in Alexandria along with hundreds of mourners.

Media reports say Mr Okaz was injured both by the attacker and when a policeman opened fire in the courtroom.

BBC

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all hail the secular and tolerant West

 

[The Curr]

How did he get a weapon into the courtroom?

 

[Martin]

all hail the secular and tolerant West

Sad story but your opportunism is lame. Did anyone ever say there are no murders in the west?

 

[Ahmed]

oppurtunism for what? this only goes to show that who is the real problem

 

[Eddy]

Good job by France. It's about time.

 

[Martin]

oppurtunism for what? this only goes to show that who is the real problem

The real problem? One person gets killed by an ignorant moron and now this is the only problem we have? As I see it there are many problems.

 

[The Curr]

oppurtunism for what? this only goes to show that who is the real problem

The real problem? There's only one?

 

[Ahmed]

the real problem in regards to the issue at hand

 

[king Ale]

all hail the secular and tolerant West

It's as funny as judging the WHOLE Islam and Muslims based on what Taliban are doing. Funny that you denounce the West's reactions to the Muslims after 9/11 but it's all alright for you to make fun of west for what a psycho has done.

I know Muslims who are killing their daughters if they start a relationship with a boy. Now, would you like to call it "Islam letting men kill their women or daughters whenever they want"?

 

[Martin]

Btw a sensible statement would say "tolerant compared to...". You're welcome to argue that the West is less tolerant or has more crime than other countries you wish to nominate. I suspect you'll find that a less rewarding pursuit.

 

[Eddy]

This is complete nonsense. I ask whether this psychological principle is true. You don't say yes or no, instead you say "a communist would say the same thing". That doesn't answer the question.

I'm not a communist but I am a socialist and a capitalist, contrary as those may seem, and it's on those precepts that exist some of the most successful societies in the world. All of which is completely beside the point to the issue at hand.

I'm like you it seems Martin, however, please don't call it capitalism...having those 2 words together is just wrong. Free Market is the word you're looking for. Though I think that some countries who embrace socialism must go to central planning rather than a free market (capitalism) depending on the country's rare materials and efficiency to produce.

And check your PM holmes

 

[Ahmed]

It's as funny as judging the WHOLE Islam and Muslims based on what Taliban are doing. Funny that you denounce the West's reactions to the Muslims after 9/11 but it's all alright for you to make fun of west for what a psycho has done.

I know Muslims who are killing their daughters if they start a relationship with a boy. Now, would you like to call it "Islam letting men kill their women or daughters whenever they want"?

that is exactly what I was trying to show

Btw a sensible statement would say "tolerant compared to...". You're welcome to argue that the West is less tolerant or has more crime than other countries you wish to nominate. I suspect you'll find that a less rewarding pursuit.

wasn't comparing them at all...just showing what the roots of this problem are

 

[Martin]

I'm like you it seems Martin, however, please don't call it capitalism...having those 2 words together is just wrong. Free Market is the word you're looking for. Though I think that some countries who embrace socialism must go to central planning rather than a free market (capitalism) depending on the country's rare materials and efficiency to produce.

This is a big digression from the thread's topic, but free market is a complete myth. There is no such thing, never was. Those are the pipe dreams of laissez faire economists as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, the central planning of communism is completely insane. Basically every so called free market is some sort of approximation to a free market. But everywhere you have tariffs on imports to protect the domestic economy and government intervention (regulation as the term goes) where seen fit. What this means is that so called socialism actually reigns supreme in the economic reality of the world. Government intervenes in some areas, the rest is left free.

 

[Martin]

wasn't comparing them at all...just showing what the roots of this problem are

Which problem? The fact that I'm highly skeptical to hijabs? This is a problem per your definition and the roots of this problem are ignorance? In that case you could have just said so without drawing some sort of weak link between me and this psycho killer, because I don't find myself remotely similar to him and I don't find your argument more convincing by using this example.