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Gandalf

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Jul 28, 2003
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snoop said:
saying God doesn't exist,or God is a liar,things similar to thiese are not offense,that's only opinion..




what this has to do with religion?? you can't make a connection here,but if somone calls names to any of my family member without a reason,well yes,I will be offended.
My point from all of this is that you get offended if someone calls names of any of your family members because you love them.. yet you say you’re a Christian who love Jesus but you don’t get offended if someone calls him names, not necessarily by doubting his existence as in this thread, but by other members who say ‘he’s a son of b**ch’ or ‘bastard’..
I love God ‘Allah’ and I love Jesus and I get offended if someone insult them..

Freedom of speech is good, but to a certain limit and with respect.. what good does it make to mock prophets and God..? it only raises hatred and disgust between people..
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Gandalf said:
My point from all of this is that you get offended if someone calls names of any of your family members because you love them.. yet you say you’re a Christian who love Jesus but you don’t get offended if someone calls him names, not necessarily by doubting his existence as in this thread, but by other members who say ‘he’s a son of b**ch’ or ‘bastard’..
I love God ‘Allah’ and I love Jesus and I get offended if someone insult them..

Freedom of speech is good, but to a certain limit and with respect.. what good does it make to mock prophets and God..? it only raises hatred and disgust between people..
I am sorry,but I don't think the same way you do.If you love/like God or prophets, it should be between you and them (God Prophets).I won't hate anyone If someone insults them,I think it should be that way.I am not God's bodyguard,I think GOD (If he exist),can "punish"/judge them alone that's his job not mine ,he doesn't need me for that.you see my point?so each to his own,religion should be that way,otherwise we will not be different than Bin Ladens,zarqawis or the crusades.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Look, I want an answer, is it yes or no? Because if it's yes, I'm going to do anything I can to prove it's no, but if it's no I'm going to do anything I can to prove it's yes. But in order to get on with it, I'll have to know which one you think it is first.
 

Menace

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Apr 22, 2005
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snoop said:
I am sorry,but I don't think the same way you do.If you love/like God or prophets, it should be between you and them (God Prophets).I won't hate anyone If someone insults them,I think it should be that way.I am not God's bodyguard,I think GOD (If he exist),can "punish"/judge them alone that's his job not mine ,he doesn't need me for that.you see my point?so each to his own,religion should be that way,otherwise we will not be different than Bin Ladens,zarqawis or the crusades.
Sorta agree, why dont you put spaces between your dots and comas? :D
 

Menace

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Apr 22, 2005
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Seven said:
Look, I want an answer, is it yes or no? Because if it's yes, I'm going to do anything I can to prove it's no, but if it's no I'm going to do anything I can to prove it's yes. But in order to get on with it, I'll have to know which one you think it is first.
You must be really bored :D
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
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Menace said:
Sorta agree, why dont you put spaces between your dots and comas? :D
you mean after dots or commas? that's probably because I type it fast, without much concentration :eyebrows:
 

Gandalf

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Jul 28, 2003
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snoop said:
I am sorry,but I don't think the same way you do.If you love/like God or prophets, it should be between you and them (God Prophets).I won't hate anyone If someone insults them,I think it should be that way.I am not God's bodyguard,I think GOD (If he exist),can "punish"/judge them alone that's his job not mine ,he doesn't need me for that.you see my point?so each to his own,religion should be that way,otherwise we will not be different than Bin Ladens,zarqawis or the crusades.
I understand where you're coming from.. and I'm glad you realize that me and you are different.. people are different.. in the way that they perceive things.. if we all think the same way, then there will be no troubles in the world.. or exactly the opposite.. depends on how we think..
you may not feel offended, but there is a big chance that others may be.. so why do we encourage this mockery against God and prophets in the name of freedom of speech..?? that is my main concern from all this whole discussion..

And btw, I fail to see how is it gonna make us the same as bin laden, zarqawi and crusades..!! they have different reasons and motives to do what they do.. and it has nothing to do with God.. they just use the religion as an excuse.. we all know that..
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Gandalf said:
I understand where you're coming from.. and I'm glad you realize that me and you are different.. people are different.. in the way that they perceive things.. if we all think the same way, then there will be no troubles in the world.. or exactly the opposite.. depends on how we think..
If we all think the same way I do about religion,I don't think there will be any trouble Just like you said,and trust me that doesn't make anyone bad,or that doesn't makes our love to God less,no?


you may not feel offended, but there is a big chance that others may be.. so why do we encourage this mockery against God and prophets in the name of freedom of speech..?? that is my main concern from all this whole discussion..
No man,you got me wrong,I am not encouraging to call God names like "he is son of a bitch" etc.. but anyone can argue about his existence,or think he is a liar or evil,things similar to these.that's the freedom of speech that I encourage to discuss about it.



And btw, I fail to see how is it gonna make us the same as bin laden, zarqawi and crusades..!! they have different reasons and motives to do what they do.. and it has nothing to do with God.. they just use the religion as an excuse.. we all know that..
exactly what I am telling you,they use religion for hatred and wars,I am all against that,those crusades the soldiers not the leaders,and also the "soldiers" of Bin laden and Zarqawi,aren't they fighting for the Religion?Bombing themselves to kill innocent people,aren't they doing that for the "religion"?we are not bombing ourselves here,but if we insult each others just because of religion,are we different than them?
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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A quick word as a mod - I don't care what your viewpoint is, but be respectful of others. I have zero tolerance for flamebait or abusive language in threads like this.
 

Gandalf

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Jul 28, 2003
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Snoop said:
No man,you got me wrong,I am not encouraging to call God names like "he is son of a bitch" etc.. but anyone can argue about his existence,or think he is a liar or evil,things similar to these.that's the freedom of speech that I encourage to discuss about it.
understood.. I wasn’t referring to the people who argue about the existence of God either.. in a matter of fact I just asked the question (does freedom of speech gives the right to offend others?) regardless of the main topic of this thread..

yet you didn’t answer that question..! :D

Snoop said:
exactly what I am telling you, they use religion for hatred and wars, I am all against that, those crusades the soldiers not the leaders, and also the "soldiers" of Bin laden and Zarqawi, aren't they fighting for the Religion? Bombing themselves to kill innocent people, aren't they doing that for the "religion"? we are not bombing ourselves here, but if we insult each others just because of religion, are we different than them?
I have to admit, you got me there.. :/
But, one thing we have to make clear.. soldiers follow orders.. people who volunteer (bomb themselves, terrorist acts.. etc) are not that educated to distinguish between right and wrong.. for their ignorance, they are being used..

And so far, you and I are having this ‘religious’ discussion without insulting each other.. so, there is a hope for the world.. :D
 
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