Denis Zakaria (15 Viewers)

[Van Helsing]

Take into consideration it was a card for last season. This season he already has 83 and 86 rated cards performance based so it really ain't that bad, but yeah first season after injury was one of his worst

we will see. also BM team were not good in that period.

fifa ratings?

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You have the brains of a timber

transfermarkt and BM fans? downgrading from 83 to 80 means something about him, really massive downgrade.

 

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[Cerval]

TBH I know nothing about this guy. From looking at FBref he seems like smarter and less mistake prone Bentancur. Which is a good signing at the super low fee and reasonable wages.

Same, I have no opinion on him. But the stats Alen showed weren't impressive. Could mean absolutely nothing of course, not a fan of judging only based on them. He could still be good.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I'm not expecting him to be the next Vidal, but I'm sure he will he better than what we've had for the first half of the season so that should improve us greatly. I mean it sounds like he at least moves around, so he's already leagues ahead of Rabiot.

 

[DanielSz]

I'm not expecting him to be the next Vidal, but I'm sure he will he better than what we've had for the first half of the season so that should improve us greatly. I mean it sounds like he at least moves around, so he's already leagues ahead of Rabiot.

Vidal didn’t come from bundesliga with crazy expectations either hehe

 

[Xperd]

Vidal didn’t come from bundesliga with crazy expectations either hehe

That's BS.

Vidal was one of the best CM's in the league when we signed him. It's just that we got him for a bargain price, thanks to Rudi Voeller's disdain for Bayern.

 

[JuveJay]

That's BS.

Vidal was one of the best CM's in the league when we signed him. It's just that we got him for a bargain price, thanks to Rudi Voeller's disdain for Bayern.

Wasn't his contract also down to 1 year?

 

[DanielSz]

That's BS.

Vidal was one of the best CM's in the league when we signed him. It's just that we got him for a bargain price, thanks to Rudi Voeller's disdain for Bayern.

And no club outside of Bayern was able to top 10 mil? He wasn’t any more hyped than zakaria. He wasn’t even a starter initially.

 

[Xperd]

Wasn't his contract also down to 1 year?

That too.

But Voeller also refused to sell to Bayern and we took advantage.

Doesn't change the fact that we signed a borderline world class midfielder who obviously exceeded expectations in his first few seasons.

I mean Zakaria could still end up being a good player but you can hardly draw parallels to when Vidal first came here.

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And no club outside of Bayern was able to top 10 mil? He wasn’t any more hyped than zakaria. He wasn’t even a starter initially.

He was on the last year of his contract. Same like Sahin who got sold an year prior for like €10M.
These two players were among the best CM's in the league already.

Zakaria hardly is in this conversation of being among the best CM's in Bundesliga.

 

[DanielSz]

That too.

But Voeller also refused to sell to Bayern and we took advantage.

Doesn't change the fact that we signed a borderline world class midfielder who obviously exceeded expectations in his first few seasons.

I mean Zakaria could still end up being a good player but you can hardly draw parallels to when Vidal first came here.

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He was on the last year of his contract. Same like Sahin who got sold an year prior for like €10M.
These two players were among the best CM's in the league already.

Zakaria hardly is in this conversation of being among the best CM's in Bundesliga.

he was before his injury and long term knee injuries often take two years before a player is completely back.

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Vidals highest market value before arriving to Juve: 22M

Zakarias? 50M

 

[Akshen]

Vidal was named top mid in the Summer 2011:
https://www.kicker.de/bundesliga-sommer-2011/defensives-mittelfeld/rangliste
and top 2 in the Winter 10/11:
https://www.kicker.de/bundesliga-winter-2010-11/defensives-mittelfeld/rangliste
yeah he was much higher profile, though it was different league back then with Bayern not really that dominating and hollywood players.

 

[juve123]

https://bulinews.com/news/11064/best-defensive-midfielders-the-bundesliga-the-2021-22-season-far

 

[Xperd]

he was before his injury and long term knee injuries often take two years before a player is completely back.

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Vidals highest market value before arriving to Juve: 22M

Zakarias? 50M

I see you are going full muppet mode today.

Can't blame you for being overexcited after the mercato we just had.

Comparing the market value from 2011 to present day doesn't make sense.

Maybe you really need to catch some sleep.

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Vidal was named top mid in the Summer 2011:
https://www.kicker.de/bundesliga-sommer-2011/defensives-mittelfeld/rangliste
and top 2 in the Winter 10/11:
https://www.kicker.de/bundesliga-winter-2010-11/defensives-mittelfeld/rangliste
yeah he was much higher profile, though it was different league back then with Bayern not really that dominating and hollywood players.

Bundesliga was much more competitive back then.

Obviously Bayern evolved into a machine later on but the level of other teams was pretty high compared to today.

 

[DanielSz]

I see you are going full muppet mode we just had.

Can't blame you for being overexcited after the mercato today.

Comparing the market value from 2011 to present day doesn't make sense.

Maybe you really need to catch some sleep.

why would it not make sense? He was worth more than double. I know, inflation, but that’s too big of a difference. And they came to Juve around the same age.

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https://bulinews.com/news/11064/best-defensive-midfielders-the-bundesliga-the-2021-22-season-far

yeah Zakaria is rated too. I mean people were fawning over him after the Italy game.

 

[Xperd]

why would it not make sense? He was worth more than double. I know, inflation, but that’s too big of a difference. And they came to Juve around the same age.

Because market value is subjective and not an accurate way to measure a player's worth. A player is worth what the buying club is willing to pay.
If we go by the market value metric alone, there are so many useless bums in the PL who have a higher market value than many top tier Serie A and La Liga talents.
Point is Vidal was already an established box to box CM and one of the best in his league before we signed him.
Zakaria's body of work pales in comparison to Vidal so the two can't be compared.

Mckennie would be a much more suitable comparison although I'd assume Zakaria has a bit more quality than the American.

 

[Post Ironic]

Vidal scored 13 goals-11 assists, had 4.7 tackles, 2.8 interceptions/game in his last season at Leverkusen before he arrived. Was one of the best CMs in Bundesliga if not entire European football that season.

Not sure what the point of the comparison is though. Zakarias is a completely different sort of footballer and is never going to score or assist or tackle like that. Not his game from everything I’ve read about him.

 

[Akshen]

why would it not make sense? He was worth more than double. I know, inflation, but that’s too big of a difference. And they came to Juve around the same age.

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yeah Zakaria is rated too. I mean people were fawning over him after the Italy game.

different times mate, 23 yo Messi who was best player of the world at that time was rate 100m, currently Mbappe is rated 160m and he is not even on that level.
60m was valuation of 26 yo Iniesta and 28 yo Zlatan market value was 35m.
So the 22m valuation of Vidal cant be really compared to the Zakarias valuation 2 years ago.

 

[DanielSz]

different times mate, 23 yo Messi who was best player of the world at that time was rate 100m, currently Mbappe is rated 160m and he is not even on that level.
60m was valuation of 26 yo Iniesta and 28 yo Zlatan market value was 35m.
So the 22m valuation of Vidal cant be really compared to the Zakarias valuation 2 years ago.

Maybe true but I still don’t remember Vidal having any more expectations than Zakaria, which is what this whole argument is about anyway. Both are/were good young players but I don’t think anyone would’ve guessed Vidal becoming what he did at Juve. He would’ve went to a better club if so.

 

[Akshen]

Maybe true but I still don’t remember Vidal having any more expectations than Zakaria, which is what this whole argument is about anyway. Both are/were good young players but I don’t think anyone would’ve guessed Vidal becoming what he did at Juve. He would’ve went to a better club if so.

you sure ? xD
https://www.juventuz.com/threads/arturo-vidal.33210/page-5#post-3159183

jokes aside I cant agree, looking even at how the Vidal saga went for fans. Dont you remember his nephew/brother or someone like this Marcelo pretending to be posting here? It was such a comedy on this forum - and it just shows how big transfer for fans it was. Zakaria one was pretty calm thread.

 

[DanielSz]

you sure ? xD
https://www.juventuz.com/threads/arturo-vidal.33210/page-5#post-3159183

jokes aside I cant agree, looking even at how the Vidal saga went for fans. Dont you remember his nephew/brother or someone like this Marcelo pretending to be posting here? It was such a comedy on this forum - and it just shows how big transfer for fans it was. Zakaria one was pretty calm thread.

yeah because it was a day after we got Vlahovic lol of course it would be calm. There’d be a lot more hype if it was the only move, or at least the first one.

 

[juve123]

Maybe true but I still don’t remember Vidal having any more expectations than Zakaria, which is what this whole argument is about anyway. Both are/were good young players but I don’t think anyone would’ve guessed Vidal becoming what he did at Juve. He would’ve went to a better club if so.

I think Pogba might be the more apt comparison.Came on a free transfer no expectations rather than vidal who certainly was the best box to box midfielder in bundesliga at that time.