David Trezeguet (36 Viewers)

[ReBeL]

Exactly , even a struggling Henry is picked over an on-form Trezeguet , that's why Henry is better .

Using this logic, if Domenech chooses Mickael Jackson to be a striker, then a struggling Mickael Jackson is better than Trezeguet.

Ok, I'm convinced then.

I don't base my argument on the at all , you and some of the members here full heartedly believe Trezeguet is one of the best players in the world . It's simply not true , he's a beast infront of goal I'll give him that but his abilities are very limited and at the moment players like David Villa , RVN , Ibrahimovic etc... to name a few are all better than Trezeguet .

You might say that these players are different style players to Trezeguet , fine , Kanoute is even a better player/finisher than Trez . I'm not attacking him in any way , I'm just saying the truth , he isn't fast enough , powerful enough , skillfull enough to be mentioned in the list above . That's just the simple truth .

He was once a much better player and so was Nedved and Alex , his best times are over but thankfully he still getsthe job done and earns precious points for us . I couldn't ask for more . To say that he's the best finisher in the world right now is just too much .

I don't care about Domenech's decision but as a national team coach i think he made his decision based on what's best for his team and not because he hates Trez . It's funny that only Juve fans think Domenech's decision is somewhat strange and biased .

It's not about bias, but if somebody reads your posts about the accuracy of Domenech's choices, he may think that France has already qualified with a substantial difference of points rather than the second ranked team in the group, and you know that is NOT the case. The guy is totally insane.

And no, Kanoute and Henry are not better. At least currently.

 

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[Lion]

No Domenech does not make decisions on what's good for the team. How else can you explain Boumsong having caps for France, and Barthez starting ahead of Coupet in the WC, and Mexes not being called up for the WC?

and your really are starting to get annoying here. You said Villa, Zlatan..etc. are better Strikers than Trez. Fair enough I can't argue with that, but them being better fininshers (with the exception of RVN, and Sheva and look at how crap Sheva has been) you're not making sense. kanoute a better finisher than Trez? based on what? wopuld you like to compare Kanoute's career goals with Trez? do you even know what being a better fininsher means? a Finisher is someone who puts the ball in the back of the net. Trez has scored 10 goals in 11 matches. That's an Average of almost a goal a match. And he is not even playing in European competition unlike Villa, Kanoute, Henry,Ibra, Benzema.

and Henry is struggling meaning he is not playing well. Trez is playing well meaning he should be picked. You pick players who are playing well. It's common sense.

 

[rounder]

Using this logic, if Domenech chooses Mickael Jackson to be a striker, then a struggling Mickael Jackson is better than Trezeguet.

Ok, I'm convinced then.



It's not about bias, but if somebody reads your posts about the accuracy of Domenech's choices, he may think that France has already qualified with a substantial difference of points rather than the second ranked team in the group, and you know that is NOT the case. The guy is totally insane.

And no, Kanoute and Henry are not better. At least currently.

I don't see how you could compare Michel Jackson to Henry . The point being Henry is someone that could change the game in any second and has superior abilities to trezeguet . As for Kanoute , he can singlehandedly make teams like real suffer despite his size , he's very quick , unlike Trez. Kanoute is an excellent player and so is Henry , I have to disagree here , Trezeguet is not the better player . Not even close .

As for Domenech , France actually led the group for a very long time and if it weren't for a spirited Scottish side , they would have all ready qualified . I don't think anyone in France wonders why Domenech did not pick Trezeguet . I don't like the guy at all but I think any coach in the world would choose Henry and Kanoute over Trez .

 

[rounder]

No Domenech does not make decisions on what's good for the team. How else can you explain Boumsong having caps for France, and Barthez starting ahead of Coupet in the WC, and Mexes not being called up for the WC?

and your really are starting to get annoying here. You said Villa, Zlatan..etc. are better Strikers than Trez. Fair enough I can't argue with that, but them being better fininshers (with the exception of RVN, and Sheva and look at how crap Sheva has been) you're not making sense. kanoute a better finisher than Trez? based on what? wopuld you like to compare Kanoute's career goals with Trez? do you even know what being a better fininsher means? a Finisher is someone who puts the ball in the back of the net. Trez has scored 10 goals in 11 matches. That's an Average of almost a goal a match. And he is not even playing in European competition unlike Villa, Kanoute, Henry,Ibra, Benzema.

and Henry is struggling meaning he is not playing well. Trez is playing well meaning he should be picked. You pick players who are playing well. It's common sense.

How exactly is Trezeguet playing well when he touches the ball two to three times a game . Is it even possible to pass judgement on the guy ? He did nothing against Inter and the game before that . Why ? he doesn't receive service , any player can receive service and score , that's noting speacial , look at Inzaghi . The guy is rubbish yet he scores 2 goals in the C.L Final , he has broken the European goalscoring record or something like that , does that make him the best player in the world ?

 

[Bozi]

Is he the best finisher ? Based on what ? Many othert players have scored more goals than him , are in better form etc. ..

A few years ago when he was the top scorer of Serie A then yes I would say he was the best finisher , but really after being dropped form the French National team I wouldn't say he's at his best . Saying he's the best in the world wouldn't be very fair would it ?

just out of curiosity, who is currently the top scorer in serie a?

After 5 years in Monaco he had 85 appearances and scored 61 times.Then we signed him and after 7 years and 236 appearances he scored 175 goals.For France after 9 years he played 70 times and scored 34 times.No need to say more.Trez is box striker and surely one of the best in the world he`s doing his job always and rarely makes mistakes.It would be fu*king hard to find his replacement.

well said, i cant understand some folks mentality here. trez might only touch th ball once or twice, but we all know that is all he needs to find teh net, plus his link-up game is vastly underated i cant think of anyone over the last 6 years that i would rather have in my team in this role. sucha pity that some are too blid to see this

 

[Agon]

well if trezeguet is not better than Henry, he is much better than anelka, saha, govou, benzema. That explains that Domenech is an idiot

 

[rounder]

just out of curiosity, who is currently the top scorer in serie a?:shifty:




well said, i cant understand some folks mentality here. trez might only touch th ball once or twice, but we all know that is all he needs to find teh net, plus his link-up game is vastly underated i cant think of anyone over the last 6 years that i would rather have in my team in this role. sucha pity that some are too blid to see this

I said after an entire season .

 

[Bozi]

I said after an entire season .

no you didnt, you said when he was top-scorer a few years ago. well he is top scorer NOW and scoring for fun, tbh i would feel better with an anelka-henry partnership if i was an opposing coach than henry-trez. the man only needs 1 chance to punish you

 

[ReBeL]

I don't see how you could compare Michel Jackson to Henry . The point being Henry is someone that could change the game in any second and has superior abilities to trezeguet . As for Kanoute , he can singlehandedly make teams like real suffer despite his size , he's very quick , unlike Trez. Kanoute is an excellent player and so is Henry , I have to disagree here , Trezeguet is not the better player . Not even close .

I brought statistics to prove my words. How can you tell, objectively, that Kanoute is better than David? Don't give me more paragraphs. I need to see numbers.

As for Domenech , France actually led the group for a very long time and if it weren't for a spirited Scottish side , they would have all ready qualified . I don't think anyone in France wonders why Domenech did not pick Trezeguet . I don't like the guy at all but I think any coach in the world would choose Henry and Kanoute over Trez .

Whatever.

How exactly is Trezeguet playing well when he touches the ball two to three times a game .

He does his job, which is nothing but SCORING GOALS. He is accountable when he doesn't score as much as Buffon is accountable when an error of him costs the club to concede a goal. It's about roles.

Is it even possible to pass judgement on the guy ? He did nothing against Inter and the game before that . Why ?

Give me the name of any player who scores whenever he is required to do so. The man is a human. He has his peaks and his tops. And his history can prove to you how his top days exceeded his peak days.

he doesn't receive service , any player can receive service and score ,
that's noting speacial , look at Inzaghi . The guy is rubbish yet he scores to goals in the C.L Final , he has broken the European goalscoring record or something like that , does that make him the best player in the world ?

Aha. Zidane scored two goals in the final of the World Cup. And so, he was the best FINISHER in the world at that time.

Briefly, Look at the rate of scoring for David and compare it with others who do the same job, then tell me what you conclude.

 

[rounder]

no you didnt, you said when he was top-scorer a few years ago. well he is top scorer NOW and scoring for fun, tbh i would feel better with an anelka-henry partnership if i was an opposing coach than henry-trez. the man only needs 1 chance to punish you

Hence , officially the top scorer after a season .
I really don't care about the French National team but if you insist , Kanoute - Henry is better than Trez-Henry .
I have seen a few Sevilla games this season and I have seen all the Juve games this season . Kanoute is an excellent player , he rips the opponents defence apart with ease when his team isn't playing well .

When we played inter , where the hell was Trezeguet ? He had one shot and I think it went out of the stadium . Don't give me the "it's not his job to create plays" , that's like saying he can't score unless the ball was served to him on a golden platter , that makes him special ?

I don't agree with Domenech's decisions but I don't think they're surprising at all .

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

they are different types of players. now tell me, who is better inzaghi or gilardino?

 

[Bozi]

Hence , officially the top scorer after a season .
I really don't care about the French National team but if you insist , Kanoute - Henry is better than Trez-Henry .
I have seen a few Sevilla games this season and I have seen all the Juve games this season . Kanoute is an excellent player , he rips the opponents defence apart with ease when his team isn't playing well .

When we played inter , where the hell was Trezeguet ? He had one shot and I think it went out of the stadium . Don't give me the "it's not his job to create plays" , that's like saying he can't score unless the ball was served to him on a golden platter , that makes him special ?

I don't agree with Domenech's decisions but I don't think they're surprising at all .

aye but both henry and kanoute are similar in style, they both want to drop off and affect teh play, the build up and france would be left with no-one directly in the box turning the defence and forcing them back.

a lot of trez's play is actually unselfish because simply by being there in the box he is giving the defense another problem, and trust me if teh ball falls in teh box there is only one striker i would want in there, trez can sniff out a chance that most folk dont see.

as for the inter game, so what?everyone can have a bad game, he sint superman but he is by far the best poacher around, only pippo comes close IMO

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

in the inter game, he wasn't bad. sure he was anonymous, which we have come to expect from him, when the rest of the team can't put five passes together.

 

[rounder]

I brought statistics to prove my words. How can you tell, objectively, that Kanoute is better than David? Don't give me more paragraphs. I need to see numbers.


Whatever.


He does his job, which is nothing but SCORING GOALS. He is accountable when he doesn't score as much as Buffon is accountable when an error of him costs the club to concede a goal. It's about roles.


Give me the name of any player who scores whenever he is required to do so. The man is a human. He has his peaks and his tops. And his history can prove to you how his top days exceeded his peak days.


Aha. Zidane scored two goals in the final of the World Cup. And so, he was the best FINISHER in the world at that time.

Briefly, Look at the rate of scoring for David and compare it with others who do the same job, then tell me what you conclude.

1st point . you want numbers ? fine .

He has 6 goals in 9 games this season. which means he scores a goal every 95 minutes . 2007/2008
He scored 22 goals last year . Second best to RVN . 2006/2007

Compare that to Trez in the last 2 years .

I know he's human , I don't expect him to score every single game , that wasn't my point .
Where was he , where was his passing etc.. ?
If you want to tell me that his sole purpose on the field is scoring goals than that would make him as good as Inzaghi wouldn't it ?

He has limited abilities and comparing to the best strikers today is just wrong .

 

[Bozi]

inzhagi is about the only forward that comes close to trez


however he does not have the same problems with his own fans doubting him

 

[ReBeL]

1st point . you want numbers ? fine .

He has 6 goals in 9 games this season. which means he scores a goal every 95 minutes . 2007/2008
He scored 22 goals last year . Second best to RVN . 2006/2007

Compare that to Trez in the last 2 years .

I know he's human , I don't expect him to score every single game , that wasn't my point .
Where was he , where was his passing etc.. ?
If you want to tell me that his sole purpose on the field is scoring goals than that would make him as good as Inzaghi wouldn't it ?

He has limited abilities and comparing to the best strikers today is just wrong .

Ok. Thanks for your time.

 

[rounder]

aye but both henry and kanoute are similar in style, they both want to drop off and affect teh play, the build up and france would be left with no-one directly in the box turning the defence and forcing them back.

a lot of trez's play is actually unselfish because simply by being there in the box he is giving the defense another problem, and trust me if teh ball falls in teh box there is only one striker i would want in there, trez can sniff out a chance that most folk dont see.

as for the inter game, so what?everyone can have a bad game, he sint superman but he is by far the best poacher around, only pippo comes close IMO

From best player to best finisher to best poacher .

First of all , I would hardly call the ability to sniff out a chance in the box an ability much less a talent .

Henry can finish the ball just as good as Trez and even better , so can Crespo , Cruz , Inzaghi , Rooney , and the list goes on . So I would hardly call him the best finisher .

 

[rounder]

Ok. Thanks for your time.

My pleasure .

 

[rounder]

inzhagi is about the only forward that comes close to trez


however he does not have the same problems with his own fans doubting him

If you expect all Juve fans to blindly say Trez is the best attacker that ever lived then Juve fans would be idiots .

Just one burning question :

Is Trezeguet The best Striker in the world ?
Is he in the top 5 ?

An honest answer would be appreciated .

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

not the best striker but i would say top 10. you said henry can finish those goals trez scores, so can i, but would he put them away as consistently and surely as trez, in fact, would he even be in the right position to score them.