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Post Ironic

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I am not sure I am following the reasoning here. This isn't some amateur or inexperienced player or a pundit talking about someone else, if he says he didnt tactically fit well with the team he is probably right. He may have had a good season in numbers because Alves is an all time great in this position but its hard to doubt his take its from the guy himself.

Players may sugar coat their time at a club or how important they were, or shift blame of a personal failure thats believable, but its hard to argue they'd downplay and undervalue their impact. Alves isn't exactly known for great humility.

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Don't believe Alves he doesn't know anything. Allegroids know better than the man himself.
Not really. Alves has made a career of saying stupid nonsense. And no, him being a great player and experienced doesn’t make him some “tactical genius” or even mean he knows what the heck he is talking about. Otherwise all experienced top players would make great coaches which obviously isn’t the case.

The dude had a meltdown post-Cardiff, and fell out at the end of his time here with teammates and management, and 6 years later he’s still talking rubbish.

Again, he had his career best goalscoring season and his best season in 6 years in terms of goals + assists. And having watched every match that season, he was brilliant for us, undoubtedly one of our best and most important players for the CL final run. He was a big part of us going through the knockout rounds with 5 wins - 1 draw and outscoring our opponents 10-1. He fit our 4-2-3-1 just fine and dandy, and was not being asked to become a long-ball specialist lol. Dude clearly has forgotten that season and how we played.

And rather ironic that you are making fun of people for suggesting Dani Alves is full of shit here, considering you and your tedious ilk spend your every moment on Tuz claiming Allegri is a moron and you know better.
 
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Hist

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Not really. Alves has made a career of saying stupid nonsense. And no, him being a great player and experienced doesn’t make him some “tactical genius” or even mean he knows what the heck he is talking about. Otherwise all experienced top players would make great coaches which obviously isn’t the case.

The dude had a meltdown post-Cardiff, and fell out at the end of his time here with teammates and management, and 6 years later he’s still talking rubbish.

Again, he had his career best goalscoring season and his best season in 6 years in terms of goals + assists. And having watched every match that season, he was brilliant for us, undoubtedly one of our best and most important players for the CL final run. He was a big part of us going through the knockout rounds with 5 wins - 1 draw and outscoring our opponents 10-1. He fit our 4-2-3-1 just fine and dandy, and was not being asked to become a long-ball specialist lol. Dude clearly has forgotten that season and how we played.

And rather ironic that you are making fun of people for suggesting Dani Alves is full of shit here, considering you and your tedious ilk spend your every moment on Tuz claiming Allegri is a moron and you know better.
Dude we don’t say we know better about Allegri himself than himself. If Allegris says I am happy today I wouldn’t say none sense he doesn’t know that I know better than him about his own mood. That’s how ridiculous you’re sounding.

And again I think he did very well here he is an all time great and made it work. Just like Ronaldo did. But if they say the tactical setup wasn’t ideal for their abilities I’d believe them.
 

Post Ironic

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Dude we don’t say we know better about Allegri himself than himself. If Allegris says I am happy today I wouldn’t say none sense he doesn’t know that I know better than him about his own mood. That’s how ridiculous you’re sounding.

And again I think he did very well here he is an all time great and made it work. Just like Ronaldo did. But if they say the tactical setup wasn’t ideal for their abilities I’d believe them.
What a ridiculous example. Yeah. Denying someone is happy who says so. Exact same thing. :baus:

You’re so tedious and banal.

Alves had a great season. The best one of his career as far as individual performance goes post-2011-12. Him and Mandzukic were largely the ones who made our tactics effective, especially in CL. Juve had a great season too, coming one match short of the treble.

But let’s say Alves is right, and Juve‘s tactics and style don’t suit him. Because he wasn’t a good fit. So he says we shouldn’t have signed him. An all-time great RB who had a great season for us, that was a very successful season for us too. Sounds like the club actually made a great decision to get him on a free and get a successful season in part thanks to him. You know who made a stupid decision, who looks like a dumbass here? Dani Alves. Do players not have free will and agency to choose who they sign for? Pretty sure they do, pretty sure we weren’t the only ones interested in him. Pretty sure he’s a dumbass if he signed for a club that plays a style and uses tactic that don’t suit him at all. Genius move from Alves.
 

Post Ironic

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"never played a long ball in my life" and some are falling for this bullshit :baus:

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It’s like some forget that Dani Alves has been spouting BS for years. Long before he came here. The guy is an all-time great fullback, but that doesn’t change the fact he talks a lot of rubbish.

But some Juve fans see something negative said about Juve and seem positively gleeful rushing here to celebrate.
 
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s4tch

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...But some Juve fans see something negative said about Juve and see positively gleeful rushing here to celebrate.
that's been a tendency for a while and honestly i don't get it. the club is currently flawed as fuck obviously on multiple levels, but there's no need for some revisionist bs just for the sake of it

and some are surprised that the press loves to shit on juventus. literally everyone buys it, even some so called juventini besides the large anti-juve crowd. even nobodies like cassano or adani managed to make a 2nd career based on it, partly thanks to our fellow "supporters"
 

The Quazis

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that's been a tendency for a while and honestly i don't get it. the club is currently flawed as fuck obviously on multiple levels, but there's no need for some revisionist bs just for the sake of it

and some are surprised that the press loves to shit on juventus. literally everyone buys it, even some so called juventini besides the large anti-juve crowd. even nobodies like cassano or adani managed to make a 2nd career based on it, partly thanks to our fellow "supporters"
Yeah, it's funny seeing how many people want to gain attention by even mentioning the name of our great club in their comments.
 

s4tch

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Yeah, it's funny seeing how many people want to gain attention by even mentioning the name of our great club in their comments.


romero never even played for juventus but when he fucks up something he's an ex juventino :lol: :lol: never an ex atalanta or an ex gasp player, a current conte player, but an ex juventino. italian press in a nutshell lol
 

s4tch

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They are pathetic little cockroaches.
you have to give them one thing though: they are fully aware of how to get the attention. italy and its football audience is pathetic, journos are just not any better and comfortable with their dumb low level audience. not sure it's any better elsewhere
 

Hist

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What a ridiculous example. Yeah. Denying someone is happy who says so. Exact same thing. :baus:

You’re so tedious and banal.

Alves had a great season. The best one of his career as far as individual performance goes post-2011-12. Him and Mandzukic were largely the ones who made our tactics effective, especially in CL. Juve had a great season too, coming one match short of the treble.

But let’s say Alves is right, and Juve‘s tactics and style don’t suit him. Because he wasn’t a good fit. So he says we shouldn’t have signed him. An all-time great RB who had a great season for us, that was a very successful season for us too. Sounds like the club actually made a great decision to get him on a free and get a successful season in part thanks to him. You know who made a stupid decision, who looks like a dumbass here? Dani Alves. Do players not have free will and agency to choose who they sign for? Pretty sure they do, pretty sure we weren’t the only ones interested in him. Pretty sure he’s a dumbass if he signed for a club that plays a style and uses tactic that don’t suit him at all. Genius move from Alves.

Dude its okay. You can admit that Alves is one more player who did not like Allegri's tactics and believed it didn't bring out the best in him. The guy joined us after a life-time of barca style football.

To your point about him choosing us. Perfectly reasonable to join us thinking it will be one way and then it turns out differently. Misalignment of expectations or promises that get made happen all the time. He can't predict the future. Juve thought we'd play free flowing attacking football when we hired Sarri for example and were just wrong. I can't imagine De Ligt, Ronaldo or even Vlahovic thought they'd be playing super deep hold onto dear life football most of the time.
 

Hist

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"never played a long ball in my life" and some are falling for this bullshit :baus:

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Dunno why there are some double entries in there maybe its different competitions in the hidden part of the column headers, but looking at the data as you posted it, looks like in all but one Barca row his average is less than 3, while at Juve its 3.4 and 3.9? If thats the increase in the average, then yes that does show he started doing more long balls than he has been used to through his Barca years.
 

s4tch

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Dunno why there are some double entries in there maybe its different competitions in the hidden part of the column headers, but looking at the data as you posted it, looks like in all but one Barca row his average is less than 3, while at Juve its 3.4 and 3.9? If thats the increase in the average, then yes that does show he started doing more long balls than he has been used to through his Barca years.
what's your point again? alves literally said that he never did a long ball in his life and it turns out that it was part of his job at barca too. and you're still around trying to explain... what exactly?

double entries mean different competitions indeed, it's just that whoscored won't display everything on a mobile browser. it takes a few seconds to check it for yourself.
 

Post Ironic

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what's your point again? alves literally said that he never did a long ball in his life and it turns out that it was part of his job at barca too. and you're still around trying to explain... what exactly?

double entries mean different competitions indeed, it's just that whoscored won't display everything on a mobile browser. it takes a few seconds to check it for yourself.
Alves also apparently didn’t bother checking what style of football Juve and Allegri played before coming here. I guess according to Hist logic it was perfectly reasonable of him to think he’d be playing Barca style tiki-taka footie here at Juventus, and it’s Juve’s fault for making such a poor signing. :seven:
 

Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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what's your point again? alves literally said that he never did a long ball in his life and it turns out that it was part of his job at barca too. and you're still around trying to explain... what exactly?

double entries mean different competitions indeed, it's just that whoscored won't display everything on a mobile browser. it takes a few seconds to check it for yourself.
My point? he is right by your own data (dunno what the weighted average would be) there is a big increase in his long balls from his time at Barca vs Juve.

Which is obvious and anyone who watched either clubs in the last 2 decades knows they play more of a short passing possession game since the beginning of times.

Allegroids who for years ket yelling "you want tiki taka go support Barca!!" are suddenly "dur dur what long balls we dont play long balls Alves is hallucinating"
 

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