Cristiano Ronaldo (98 Viewers)

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MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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I dont care about "being true to yourself" and respect and all that non sense. From a pure football POV and ignoring wages, Ronaldo would improve Juve. Thats all I care about. Bonucci is actually a good example, glad you brought it up. That improved the club. Like where's Caldara even at now?
Can you though?

Would he though?

And to combine them, would his contibutions be justified by his wages? He has clearly been in decline even since he was here.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,862
Ronaldo didnt improve United, they massively fell apart after signing him and scored a lot less goals. Ronaldo also didnt improve Juventus tbh, we also massively fell apart after signing him and scored a lot less goals. Football is a team sport and Ronaldo is not a team player.
 

Gian

COME HOME MOGGI
Apr 12, 2009
17,806
Ronaldo didnt improve United, they massively fell apart after signing him and scored a lot less goals. Ronaldo also didnt improve Juventus tbh, we also massively fell apart after signing him and scored a lot less goals. Football is a team sport and Ronaldo is not a team player.
of course he improved us. Who was the last player to score 30+ goals at Juventus in a season? Higuain, ADP and Trez were the only recent players I can think of.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
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of course he improved us. Who was the last player to score 30+ goals at Juventus in a season? Higuain, ADP and Trez were the only recent players I can think of.
But the team scored less goals. 16/17 our front 3 Higgy, Dybala, Mandzukic scored 61 and the rest of the guys added another 44 (in all comps), 105 goals total. 17/18 same front trio had 59 and the rest of the guys 48, 107 goals total. When Ronaldo replaced Higgy, Ronaldo individually scored a lot, but the front trio combined scored 48, a significant drop. The rest of the team also scored less, combining for 35, so 83 goals total.

And the same thing (even more brutal drop and overall decrease in team level) happened at United, Ronaldo "added" his 20-30 goals, but in reality accomodating his need to be the focal point in the attack often takes away more goals than it brings in.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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But the team scored less goals. 16/17 our front 3 Higgy, Dybala, Mandzukic scored 61 and the rest of the guys added another 44 (in all comps), 105 goals total. 17/18 same front trio had 59 and the rest of the guys 48, 107 goals total. When Ronaldo replaced Higgy, Ronaldo individually scored a lot, but the front trio combined scored 48, a significant drop. The rest of the team also scored less, combining for 35, so 83 goals total.

And the same thing (even more brutal drop and overall decrease in team level) happened at United, Ronaldo "added" his 20-30 goals, but in reality accomodating his need to be the focal point in the attack often takes away more goals than it brings in.
That point would make sense if we started scoring more goals with more or less same lineup as with Ronaldo.


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Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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Well the theory is that he sucks up all attacking play around him like a vacuum and then after he goes, naturally he also leaves a black hole behind. :p
So if you partner with Cronaldo you become a permanently worse footballer? Amazing superpower :biggrin:

I think the answer for our predicament is in your first post. You wrote Mandzukic somewhere and we havent been the same since we lost him.

Paired with a midfield that got worse and worse with every passing season.


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Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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So if you partner with Cronaldo you become a permanently worse footballer? Amazing superpower :biggrin:

I think the answer for our predicament is in your first post. You wrote Mandzukic somewhere and we havent been the same since we lost him.

Paired with a midfield that got worse and worse with every passing season.


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If a team gets used to the attacking plan being "get the ball to Ronaldo", it takes some adjusting to go back to smth else.
 

Pegi

Senior Member
Feb 22, 2019
1,825
Ronaldo back is pretty much meh for me. I don’t wanna dwell too much in the past and i want to see new Juventus.

He would make any team better for sure. He was too good for us, just like he is for Man Utd. The players he has played past 4 years is just way too damn bad and he’s been so far ahead of understanding the game than them that it ain’t even funny. Playing with Berna, Ramsey, Matuidi, Can, Dybala etc. in here and now the mess In Manchester(i.e Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Mctominay, Fred etc.) Those are the forwards and middle to get the ball to him and vice versa. What he had in RM was perfect fit for him, because RM is full of intelligent players(i.e Kroos, Modric, Casemiro, Benzema etc.) That’s not even comparable as far as the quality comes. He still scored what like +100 goals for us over 3 seasons and last season he was carrying Man Utd when no one else in there knew how to play football.

Still one of the best in the world, but let’s stay away from him. like being said, we had our time, we had our core and we had our success, but now it’s time for new era.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
Too good for us? Get the fuck out with that cuck narrative. If he's such a demi-god, he should be able to elevate those around him, not suffocate the living hell out of them and suck the air out of everything.

Sure, he scored goals and got us points, but the sacrifice was too great. Madrid even managed to win the CL without him.
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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Too good for us? Get the fuck out with that cuck narrative. If he's such a demi-god, he should be able to elevate those around him, not suffocate the living hell out of them and suck the air out of everything.

Sure, he scored goals and got us points, but the sacrifice was too great. Madrid even managed to win the CL without him.
Madrid also had the luxury to waste money to buy any player until finding the right balance and minimizing the negatives with him as the focal point.

A so called non direct goal threat WC player like pirlo, even the one that came here which wasnt peak Pirlo would be much more beneficial to us right now.
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
1,825
Too good for us? Get the fuck out with that cuck narrative. If he's such a demi-god, he should be able to elevate those around him, not suffocate the living hell out of them and suck the air out of everything.

Sure, he scored goals and got us points, but the sacrifice was too great. Madrid even managed to win the CL without him.
Not technically meaning too good for us, but too good for the players we had. He’s GOAT and he’s supposed to be playing around the players that are able understand the game, not with the tiktocking 19yr olds and players incapable of putting together 2m passes.

De Ligt left because he came in a wrong time. Way too big of an investment to continue our dynasty on any cost, just like Ronaldo and Higuain were. We just desperately tried to suck up everything we could from aging BBBC and the others. It didn’t work out the best and us falling short to Ajax in Ronaldo’s first season in here was our best shot for UCL. Couple more scudetto’s on top of that but it was the price to keep going for being the best club in Italy. Ronaldo leaving us left a massive hole in our team, as we paid 100m for him + the wages. Performance wise, i’d wish nothing more but he was just too expensive and to spend that much money, you need to have everything else in place or otherwise it makes no sense. So, too good for us as far as we were as a team, the players we had etc. is the truth. We couldn’t provide a UCL winning team for him, to take the advatange of the luxury he brings with him. We took the risk, didn’t pay off but that’s football.

Barca is like us, desperately trying to suck up all the success from the things they had built last 10 years and their season was nothing but a joke and even the years before in UCL. They had La Liga covered due weaker competion during those couple years, which could be said about us as well. Barcelona just can’t lose the momemtum Ronaldinho and Messi built in there, So Xavi in and all the money available to keep them competitive, to have the faith of the fanbase around the world believing them still being the top club in the world. 5 year slump would prob lose alot of their fake-ass fans, so it’s a must to do.

RM didn’t win anything in 3 seasons after Ronaldo left. Ancelotti came there and they had money to sign players, develop them and with their old core and youth, they still managed to win one more UCL 3 years after their last one. It wasn’t 4 UCL’s in 5 years like with Ronaldo.

So in a nutshell, you can’t pay 100m fee and 30m wages a year for 4 year contract unless you’re one of those money clubs. It makes zero sense to have 1 player out of starting 11 sucking that much money, if the rest are not on his level. Team before individuals.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
Not technically meaning too good for us, but too good for the players we had. He’s GOAT and he’s supposed to be playing around the players that are able understand the game, not with the tiktocking 19yr olds and players incapable of putting together 2m passes.

De Ligt left because he came in a wrong time. Way too big of an investment to continue our dynasty on any cost, just like Ronaldo and Higuain were. We just desperately tried to suck up everything we could from aging BBBC and the others. It didn’t work out the best and us falling short to Ajax in Ronaldo’s first season in here was our best shot for UCL. Couple more scudetto’s on top of that but it was the price to keep going for being the best club in Italy. Ronaldo leaving us left a massive hole in our team, as we paid 100m for him + the wages. Performance wise, i’d wish nothing more but he was just too expensive and to spend that much money, you need to have everything else in place or otherwise it makes no sense. So, too good for us as far as we were as a team, the players we had etc. is the truth. We couldn’t provide a UCL winning team for him, to take the advatange of the luxury he brings with him. We took the risk, didn’t pay off but that’s football.

Barca is like us, desperately trying to suck up all the success from the things they had built last 10 years and their season was nothing but a joke and even the years before in UCL. They had La Liga covered due weaker competion during those couple years, which could be said about us as well. Barcelona just can’t lose the momemtum Ronaldinho and Messi built in there, So Xavi in and all the money available to keep them competitive, to have the faith of the fanbase around the world believing them still being the top club in the world. 5 year slump would prob lose alot of their fake-ass fans, so it’s a must to do.

RM didn’t win anything in 3 seasons after Ronaldo left. Ancelotti came there and they had money to sign players, develop them and with their old core and youth, they still managed to win one more UCL 3 years after their last one. It wasn’t 4 UCL’s in 5 years like with Ronaldo.

So in a nutshell, you can’t pay 100m fee and 30m wages a year for 4 year contract unless you’re one of those money clubs. It makes zero sense to have 1 player out of starting 11 sucking that much money, if the rest are not on his level. Team before individuals.
Thank you for clarifying. I can get behind that.
 

IlCapitano

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2012
5,614
The narrative is simply ridiculous. Utd won their last game without Ronaldo a full year ago, in August 2021. Today when he came on they created their first chance.

Maguire, AWB and Shaw have been shamefully abysmal for years, McT and Fred wouldn't play regular minutes in our midfield from last season, Bruno is shit without penalties, Rashford is basically a PR machine (his gf is a director of a big PR company or something), can't remember the last time he played a good game, Juve fans laugh when Martial is mentioned as a signing here etc. etc.

They were never good with Ole either. I said it multiple times here, especially arguing with that bonehead @Bananaman, they were only high up the table because of a record-breaking number of penalties under Ole and a very shit Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal. As soon as they got back Utd is back where they would've been anyways.
 

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