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[Pegi]

Man Jordan is miles ahead for many reasons. First of all Basketball is what it is because of him. While Ronaldo could be questioned to be the best even in football, some would say, Pele, Maradona, Zidane, Messi even real Ronaldo.
Comparisons always fail, even in same sport, in same era, once you compare with different era it becomes even more difficult. And comparing two different sports makes it even harder. But Jordan was in another whole level only a blind man would say different.

I can argue about Lebron being better basketball player than Jordan was, but not greater. But i will never go on your route saying that Federer>Nadal because im a fan, just like you're doing with Jordan compared to any other athlete in this world.

 

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[Nedved96]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Michael Jordan
3. Usain Bolt
4. CR7
5. Wayne Gretzky
6. Michael Schumacher
7. Tiger Woods
8. Michael Phelps
9. Sachin Tendulkar
10. Roger Federer

I tried to limit it to one player per sport.

 

[kappa96]

It's hard to compare different sports but i gotta say, Jordan, CR7 and Rafa Nadal are in the league of their own when it comes to competitiveness, atleast when it comes to the ball games. The thing these 3 have in common that they all are an absolute clutches. They all are playing or used to play the game as it was their last and it's not just the game, it's every single point, minute, year + dedication off the court/pitch and never took any shortcuts to their success either. 3 of the most competitive ball games on earth, being the best or even dominant in those, is just something else.

If i had to list the greatest athletes ever top 5, i'd go something like:

1. Ali - The legacy he left is superior to anybody.
2. Cr7 - reasons above
3. Jordan - reasons above
4. Usain Bolt - World's fastest human deserves to be on the list.
5. Rafa Nadal - reasons above

Agree on all except for bolt.
You can call him the fastest competitive human being. In this world of almost 8 billion people there is always a chance that someone is faster, but hasn't had the chance to shine.
Also speed is kinda natural talent so it's either you have it or you don't.
For example a 13 senconds/100 meters athlete will never come close to reaching the 10 second mark regardless of how much he trains.
He could probably reach 12.5 with proper diet and training, but the margin of improvement is very low.
You can't say that if you train six hours a day all year you are going to reach 12 secanods then after another year 11 seconds .Nope that's your limit(12.5sec) and you need to becoma a cyborg if you want to do better.


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[Snobist]

I can argue about Lebron being better basketball player than Jordan was, but not greater. But i will never go on your route saying that Federer>Nadal because im a fan, just like you're doing with Jordan compared to any other athlete in this world.

You mean L3-6ron?

Before you say such thing watch finals between Dallas and Miami.

Im not a fan-fan of Jordan as you claim. I like Del Piero and Buffon better but that’s not the point.

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@Post Ironic we need your 5 cents here.

 

[ALC]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Michael Jordan
3. Usain Bolt
4. CR7
5. Wayne Gretzky
6. Michael Schumacher
7. Tiger Woods
8. Michael Phelps
9. Sachin Tendulkar
10. Roger Federer

I tried to limit it to one player per sport.

wtf is this list?

Ali is one of my favorite athletes of all time but he didn’t dominate his division the way other athletes have dominated their sports.

also CR7 being there is ridiculous when you have Maradona and Messi.

Schumacher is kinda weird too. One can make the case Hamilton is better, he’s very close to surpassing him and has better percentage of wins.

 

[Powis]

You mean L3-6ron?

Before you say such thing watch finals between Dallas and Miami.

Im not a fan-fan of Jordan as you claim. I like Del Piero and Buffon better but that’s not the point.

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@Post Ironic we need your 5 cents here.

I still remember when lebron scored 8 points in one of the final games. Then there was another time with 14 points which is low too. He simply has nothing to do with greatness.

 

[ALC]

You mean L3-6ron?

Before you say such thing watch finals between Dallas and Miami.

Im not a fan-fan of Jordan as you claim. I like Del Piero and Buffon better but that’s not the point.

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@Post Ironic we need your 5 cents here.

MJ is the most famous athlete to ever live.

he got lucky being with the bulls with Pippen and Phil Jackson but he took full advantage of that and dominated everyone.

now people think of MJ when they think of basketball. No other athlete commands that sort of attention and brand.

 

[Cerval]

wtf is this list?

Ali is one of my favorite athletes of all time but he didn’t dominate his division the way other athletes have dominated their sports.

also CR7 being there is ridiculous when you have Maradona and Messi.

Schumacher is kinda weird too. One can make the case Hamilton is better, he’s very close to surpassing him and has better percentage of wins.

Ali is bigger than Boxing

 

[kappa96]

wtf is this list?

Ali is one of my favorite athletes of all time but he didn’t dominate his division the way other athletes have dominated their sports.

also CR7 being there is ridiculous when you have Maradona and Messi.

Schumacher is kinda weird too. One can make the case Hamilton is better, he’s very close to surpassing him and has better percentage of wins.

formula 1 is a joke and calling hamilton the greatest when he had the greatest car is redundant.
i could understand him being a great driver if for example hamilton would win championships and botas would place way down. Also he had rosberg who beat him on the same car and after retired. In formula 1 the one who has the best car wins the championship. It's not like you can put him in a red bull and he wins the championship when bottas finished 48 points ahead of the red bull driver and 62 in front of the ferrari all the while being the second driver in the team.
if you follow motogp, marc marquez dominates the championship. he has 6 out of 7 championships , but his teamamtes and other honda riders are nowhere to be seen. the closest last year was in 9th overall. you can probably say that he is a great rider and he is going to become the greatest of all time in motogp.
Edit : I also think that if bottas would be allowed to compete head to head with hamilton he would really make him sweat but he is stuck in his barichello role until hamilton retires.

 

[Bianconero81]

That would be prime Tiger Woods imo

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I can argue about Lebron being better basketball player than Jordan was, but not greater. But i will never go on your route saying that Federer>Nadal because im a fan, just like you're doing with Jordan compared to any other athlete in this world.

No. Absolutely not. I can provide you with facts and statistics that make it definitive that Jordan is the better basketball player. Lebum is better all around, but Jordan wins on defense, offense, shooting, clutch, killer instinct, and pretty much every metric except for passing and physical dominance.

 

[Cerval]

Never watched that movie, but this is the "Avengers - Endgame" of debates. One big pandora box that just opened

 

[lgorTudor]

Never watched that movie, but this is the "Avengers - Endgame" of debates. One big pandora box that just opened

MJ fans = CR7 fans
Lebum fans = Messoy fans

GOAT:

Spoiler

FILTH:

Spoiler

 

[Pegi]

Agree on all except for bolt.
You can call him the fastest competitive human being. In this world of almost 8 billion people there is always a chance that someone is faster, but hasn't had the chance to shine.
Also speed is kinda natural talent so it's either you have it or you don't.
For example a 13 senconds/100 meters athlete will never come close to reaching the 10 second mark regardless of how much he trains.
He could probably reach 12.5 with proper diet and training, but the margin of improvement is very low.
You can't say that if you train six hours a day all year you are going to reach 12 secanods then after another year 11 seconds .Nope that's your limit(12.5sec) and you need to becoma a cyborg if you want to do better.


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Everything is all about genetics. You don't become the best in the world if you ain't genetically more advanced than others. That applies to anything in this life, whether you're financially succesful or anything, people just have different kind of genetics to pursue for different kind of things. Some of the people tried alchohol for the first time, their brains had some sort of stimulus from it and it felt something that they can't resist meanwhile others will try them first time and never do it again, because there was something they didn't like, which again means that their brains reacted differently to it. Musicians just had the ear for the whole thing or they had the voice where people could relate to, without really having possibility to choose how their voice sounds. Even we are something like 99.9% similar to eachothers, we're still so different and as far it comes to genetics, when it comes to speed, explosiveness, strenght, stamina and so on, we're built differently. Comparing us to the animal kingdom, humans are all about endurance and being the fastest human on earth, it's a testament to humanity and it doesn't really matter whether it has been proved or not, it's still a fact until proved otherwise. If we went to that way, what you said about Bolt, we could say same about anybody or how we do know the best basketball players, tennis players or football players are the ones we're witnessing? They're just because they're geneticially more advanced than their counterparts, their mindset is different, their skill set is different, their physique is different etc, they're just special athletes and that's why they're top of the game.

On top of that, 100m dash is technical af. There's so many elements in that, that needs to be taken into the account. People often get mistaken and looking at it just being the 8 fastest guys on the final, running fast as possible without any proper knowledge about what's the best way to run from A to B. There's all the knee angles or angles in general, contact points, arm usage and so on but anyways, too tired to break it down into the pieces, you get the picture.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Everything is all about genetics. You don't become the best in the world if you ain't genetically more advanced than others. That applies to anything in this life, whether you're financially succesful or anything, people just have different kind of genetics to pursue for different kind of things. Some of the people tried alchohol for the first time, their brains had some sort of stimulus from it and it felt something that they can't resist meanwhile others will try them first time and never do it again, because there was something they didn't like, which again means that their brains reacted differently to it. Musicians just had the ear for the whole thing or they had the voice where people could relate to, without really having possibility to choose how their voice sounds. Even we are something like 99.9% similar to eachothers, we're still so different and as far it comes to genetics, when it comes to speed, explosiveness, strenght, stamina and so on, we're built differently. Comparing us to the animal kingdom, humans are all about endurance and being the fastest human on earth, it's a testament to humanity and it doesn't really matter whether it has been proved or not, it's still a fact until proved otherwise. If we went to that way, what you said about Bolt, we could say same about anybody or how we do know the best basketball players, tennis players or football players are the ones we're witnessing? They're just because they're geneticially more advanced than their counterparts, their mindset is different, their skill set is different, their physique is different etc, they're just special athletes and that's why they're top of the game.

On top of that, 100m dash is technical af. There's so many elements in that, that needs to be taken into the account. People often get mistaken and looking at it just being the 8 fastest guys on the final, running fast as possible without any proper knowledge about what's the best way to run from A to B. There's all the knee angles or angles in general, contact points, arm usage and so on but anyways, too tired to break it down into the pieces, you get the picture.

it's wrong to attribute everything to genetics and dismiss life experiences.

Ronaldo for example. His attitudes towards alcohol consumption - a huge part of that may be because of his experiences of his father's alcoholism.

 

[kappa96]

Everything is all about genetics. You don't become the best in the world if you ain't genetically more advanced than others. That applies to anything in this life, whether you're financially succesful or anything, people just have different kind of genetics to pursue for different kind of things. Some of the people tried alchohol for the first time, their brains had some sort of stimulus from it and it felt something that they can't resist meanwhile others will try them first time and never do it again, because there was something they didn't like, which again means that their brains reacted differently to it. Musicians just had the ear for the whole thing or they had the voice where people could relate to, without really having possibility to choose how their voice sounds. Even we are something like 99.9% similar to eachothers, we're still so different and as far it comes to genetics, when it comes to speed, explosiveness, strenght, stamina and so on, we're built differently. Comparing us to the animal kingdom, humans are all about endurance and being the fastest human on earth, it's a testament to humanity and it doesn't really matter whether it has been proved or not, it's still a fact until proved otherwise. If we went to that way, what you said about Bolt, we could say same about anybody or how we do know the best basketball players, tennis players or football players are the ones we're witnessing? They're just because they're geneticially more advanced than their counterparts, their mindset is different, their skill set is different, their physique is different etc, they're just special athletes and that's why they're top of the game.

On top of that, 100m dash is technical af. There's so many elements in that, that needs to be taken into the account. People often get mistaken and looking at it just being the 8 fastest guys on the final, running fast as possible without any proper knowledge about what's the best way to run from A to B. There's all the knee angles or angles in general, contact points, arm usage and so on but anyways, too tired to break it down into the pieces, you get the picture.

you are wrong in comparing a natural born talent like speed with other sports .
in basketball if you practice shooting the ball 6 hours a day through the year you are going to see percentages increase . if you practice passing the ball the same if you practice free trows etc. same as tennis with backhands , forhands serve etc same as football with passing , shooting jumping tackling , free kicks
but in case of speed ,if your ceiling is 12,5 /100 then that's it regardless of practice . there is no overcoming what mother nature has bestowed upon you.
i for one at 18 i runned the best 11,6 sec. /100 meters in a triatlon competion and now at 33 i can still run 12,2-12,4/100 ,without any kind of training.
that was my ceiling and i didn't manage to overcome it regardless of how much i tried . my point is that my natural talent in speed hasn't decresed that much with time and lack of practice , as long as i manage my weight .
as i said , speed ,either you have it or you don't. If i could mirror nadal's lifestyle since young age i could probably become a good tennis player maybe not like him but still competitve ,but if i follow bolt's and my ceiling is 11,6 then that's all there is to it. i would never come close to being competitve in 100 meters dash regardless of practice and lifstyle .

 

[Pegi]

it's wrong to attribute everything to genetics and dismiss life experiences.

Ronaldo for example. His attitudes towards alcohol consumption - a huge part of that may be because of his experiences of his father's alcoholism.

Exactly. There's alot of examples of that + there's alot of other factors, like where you live, how big of your parents bank account is etc. You won't become a F1 driver without massive amount of money behind you and even in tennis, it's quite expensive to travel around and play international tournaments from the young age because for fully developement, it ain't enough to play against your neighbour.

But, it still comes down to the fact that without the best genetics, you won't become the best at anything what's popular.

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you are wrong in comparing a natural born talent like speed with other sports .
in basketball if you practice shooting the ball 6 hours a day through the year you are going to see percentages increase . if you practice passing the ball the same if you practice free trows etc. same as tennis with backhands , forhands serve etc same as football with passing , shooting jumping tackling , free kicks
but in case of speed ,if your ceiling is 12,5 /100 then that's it regardless of practice . there is no overcoming what mother nature has bestowed upon you.
i for one at 18 i runned the best 11,6 sec. /100 meters in a triatlon competion and now at 33 i can still run 12,2-12,4/100 ,without any kind of training.
that was my ceiling and i didn't manage to overcome it regardless of how much i tried . my point is that my natural talent in speed hasn't decresed that much with time and lack of practice , as long as i manage my weight .
as i said , speed ,either you have it or you don't. If i could mirror nadal's lifestyle since young age i could probably become a good tennis player maybe not like him but still competitve ,but if i follow bolt's and my ceiling is 11,6 then that's all there is to it. i would never come close to being competitve in 100 meters dash regardless of practice and lifstyle .

Well, Tennis includes racquet and ball, running doesn't. It has different kind of elements you can use for beating your opponent, but becoming Nadal is hard as being top 3 fastest humans in the world.

 

[ALC]

Ali is bigger than Boxing

he is but that doesn’t mean he was dominant in his sport. He was the best but didn’t dominate the way we’re talking about here

 

[lgorTudor]

he is but that doesn’t mean he was dominant in his sport. He was the best but didn’t dominate the way we’re talking about here

Tyson Fury would beat the living shit out of Ali to be honest

 

[Nedved96]

wtf is this list?

Ali is one of my favorite athletes of all time but he didn’t dominate his division the way other athletes have dominated their sports.

also CR7 being there is ridiculous when you have Maradona and Messi.

Schumacher is kinda weird too. One can make the case Hamilton is better, he’s very close to surpassing him and has better percentage of wins.

I put about 1 minute and 30 seconds of thought into that list.

You could make a case for Hamilton > Schumacher, but it should be noted that Hamilton only has a higher win% because of Schumacher’s failed comeback.

 

[kappa96]

Exactly. There's alot of examples of that + there's alot of other factors, like where you live, how big of your parents bank account is etc. You won't become a F1 driver without massive amount of money behind you and even in tennis, it's quite expensive to travel around and play international tournaments from the young age because for fully developement, it ain't enough to play against your neighbour.

But, it still comes down to the fact that without the best genetics, you won't become the best at anything what's popular.

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Well, Tennis includes racquet and ball, running doesn't. It has different kind of elements you can use for beating your opponent, but becoming Nadal is hard as being top 3 fastest humans in the world.

But in this case becoming like Nadal is theoretically posibile while becoming like bolt isn't. Just like me at 1.72 m height doing a slam dunk while jumping from the ground. I can train all my life and never do it. I'm just not built for it regardless of how much I try.