Cristiano Giuntoli (66 Viewers)

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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Tici killed us with wages and long contracts.
not only that, he also made some horrible deals. for starters he signed some unusable players. luca pellegrini can't get into lazio while spinazzola is starting for this napoli lol. ramsey couldn't stay healthy for 2 lunches in a row. favilli for 7.5m? hahahaha. and his sales, lord. he sold romero with minusvalenza, nuff said

he's by far the ultimate jabroni of jj directors and it's not even close
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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The next six-month period is expected to be above the line after 6 years: the club is now within the UEFA parameters, another capital increase is not needed.
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Well, what do you know. It almost looks like cleaning ship was a priority.
 

Alin

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Jul 27, 2015
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Well, what do you know. It almost looks like cleaning ship was a priority.
Giuntoli along with Scanavino and Ferrero have made the kind of unique mastermind moves that even the ‘triade’ couldn’t, nor anyone else before or after them, who else could have thought that if you just fill the squad with multiple loan players and other relatively cheap unknowns while you keep selling promising talents from NG can save you on the budget lol

Only missing part is further delaying the sponsorship deal and potentially missing out on UCL next season that could put us back in the red again.
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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Giuntoli along with Scanavino and Ferrero have made the kind of unique mastermind moves that even the ‘triade’ couldn’t, nor anyone else before or after them, who else could have thought that if you just fill the squad with multiple loan players and other relatively cheap unknowns while you keep selling promising talents from NG can save you on the budget lol

Only missing part is further delaying the sponsorship deal and potentially missing out on UCL next season that could put us back in the red again.
Loanees get paid if I'm not mistaken. And UEFA has us in a stranglehold because we promised certain financial parametres. Strange we're not signing Bellingham & Haaland...

If we qualify for the CL, we're def over a certain low point.
 

Alin

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Loanees get paid if I'm not mistaken. And UEFA has us in a stranglehold because we signed that doc. Strange we're not signing Bellingham & Haaland...

If we qualify for the next CL, we're def over a certain low point.
Yeah i’m sure having currently 7 players on loan here probably for the first time in history(some with option/obligation while others dry) is the only way and is much cheaper for us, even if most of the loan fee’s and dry loans are expensive ones that translate in zero possibilities of us recouping any of it, because as you said we obviously couldn’t afford to get Bellingham and Haaland or the likes, getting them on loan i mean, and also in the summer we’ll have to exercise buy option/obligation on some of those loans, or if not we’ll anyway need to replace them in the case of those we won’t keep which will be again costly, seems we are on the right track…

Then again we’ll probably be in an even bigger stronghold by UEFA after spending over €110M combined on two flops(Koop & Douglas Luiz) and making them part of our top 5 earners, also paying combined fee’s of about another €35M for gambles on the likes of Cabal, Adzic, Costa who’ve yet to make any impact here either.

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Anyway, we clearly can’t afford to miss out on the top 4 spot, it’s potentially a make or break season in terms of how many years we’ll set ourselves back before being able to make again important investments on the market and build another competitive team, because the current one is already incomplete as it is despite buying and loaning many players, some of which we won’t be able to keep even so.
 
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Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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Yeah i’m sure having currently 7 players on loan here probably for the first time in history(some with option/obligation while others dry) is the only way and is much cheaper for us, even if most of the loan fee’s and dry loans are expensive ones that translate in zero possibilities of us recouping any of it, because as you said we obviously couldn’t afford to get Bellingham and Haaland or the likes, getting them on loan i mean, and also in the summer we’ll have to exercise buy option/obligation on some of those loans, or if not we’ll anyway need to replace them in the case of those we won’t keep which will be again costly, seems we are on the right track…

Then again we’ll probably be in an even bigger stronghold by UEFA after spending over €110M combined on two flops(Koop & Douglas Luiz) and making them part of our top 5 earners, also paying combined fee’s of about another €35M for gambles on the likes of Cabal, Adzic, Costa who’ve yet to make any impact here either.

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Anyway, we clearly can’t afford to miss out on the top 4 spot, it’s potentially a make or break season in terms of how many years we’ll set ourselves back before being able to make again important investments on the market and build another competitive team, because the current one is already incomplete as it is despite buying and loaning many players, some of which we won’t be able to keep even so.
It's for the first time in six years and you're putting it away like it's a negative.

It's a chicken or egg discussion the difference is it's obvious what was first here; the debts. We're making loans because we're in debt and nothing the other way around. If we break even for the first time in six years it puts us in a position to actually buy these players in the future. It's not that difficult to see, right?
 

Alin

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It's for the first time in six years and you're putting it away like it's a negative.

It's a chicken or egg discussion the difference is it's obvious what was first here; the debts. We're making loans because we're in debt and nothing the other way around. If we break even for the first time in six years it puts us in a position to actually buy these players in the future. It's not that difficult to see, right?
I can undertstand your perspective on it but you are ignoring the key detail here, which is why i don’t believe that we are or will be any better than before, the fact we still have to exercise another around €50M worth of obligations to buy just this next summer alone after the €150M worth of purchases we’ve already made this season, without including the other dry loans that we are also considering to buy…

And help me make sense how paying just this season alone in combined loan fee’s about €35M helps our finances when many of them won’t even be here next season and will also need replacements, especially with a squad as injury prone and as devoid of quality as ours.
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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I can undertstand your perspective on it but you are ignoring the key detail here, which is why i don’t believe that we are or will be any better than before, the fact we still have to exercise another around €50M worth of obligations to buy just this next summer alone after the €150M worth of purchases we’ve already made this season, without including the other dry loans that we are also considering to buy…

And help me make sense how paying just this season alone in combined loan fee’s about €35M helps our finances when many of them won’t even be here next season and will also need replacements, especially with a squad as injury prone and as devoid of quality as ours.
Those have been accounted for. Ofc we have to make some more purchases but revenue should also be growing; longer CL runs, sponsor as you rightly said, world cup participation, definitely some more players sales etc.

Those loan fees are a necessary evil if we want to make it to the crucial CL spot. It's money down the drain, agreed. But I'm afraid it's that or nothing for now. And we've overpaid for some players here an there (DL and Koop) which didn't help the budget either. It's not as easy as it looks from the surface.

The biggest factor in this is the salary household and not the one time transfer fees.
 
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rainhard

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These loans is better than buying Vlahovic for 80m mid season and give him gradually incease salaries. At least we can ditch them if they not belong and try to negotiate a fair price in the summer based on what capital we acquired along the way
 

Alin

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I don’t disagree with some of the loans, just would’ve liked an option of sorts on at least couple of them that have real potential, and what actually worries me most is to not end up in an endless loop of dry loans with players without a sense of belonging that are needed because we can’t afford to complete the squad adequately.
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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I don’t disagree with some of the loans, just would’ve liked an option of sorts on at least couple of them that have real potential, and what actually worries me most is to not end up in an endless loop of dry loans with players without a sense of belonging that are needed because we can’t afford to complete the squad adequately.
Well, I get what you're saying but exactly the financial restructuring we have done and are doing by offloading all the heavy earners is what will get us out of that cycle. Together with a new marketing strategy ofc in which we're seriously lacking right now btw.

Not having options doesn't necessarily mean the player is gone either. In the cases of Conceicao and Kolo there's much smoke around agreements that are made or could be made in the future but again it will all depend on the CL. We're not in a position to sign players like that without CL.

Veiga on the other hand is probably unneeded as Cabal and Bremer are returning and that Hancko guy looks like a priority.
 

Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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so he gave atalanta 60m for koop, and atalanta don't look any weaker at all.

they used those funds to recoup buying retegui for 28m and after scamacca injury and look a better team.

in one move he made juve weaker and a direct competitor stronger.
 

Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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also realized he gave chiesa away for 10m only to waste entire summer chasing nico gonzalez to sign him for 38m. all the while savona and rouhi were starting as main fullbacks lol.

yes i know chiesa has been injured for liverpool lots, but nico also injured lots. would have been better keep chiesa and rebuild defense.
 

campionesidd

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also realized he gave chiesa away for 10m only to waste entire summer chasing nico gonzalez to sign him for 38m. all the while savona and rouhi were starting as main fullbacks lol.

yes i know chiesa has been injured for liverpool lots, but nico also injured lots. would have been better keep chiesa and rebuild defense.
This coming from the guy that shat on Chiesa every single day lol.
 

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