Cristiano Giuntoli (76 Viewers)

[Akshen]

i'm really calm. can't wait to fullfill my child hood dream of watching goalie who is good with his feet.

that's every little kids dream when watching football

at this point i cant tell if u either have a feet fetish or goalie fetish

 

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[Al Birdie]

I'm not defending anything yet. I'm countering your unbased criticism (like Soulé should've been sold for much more) and it shows when you have nowhere left to go but more unbased attacks.

What I'd like to read is how, for how much and to who you would've sold Soulé.

Have i said that Soule should have been sold for more? I had enough of your BS "this isn't human trafficking" argument and called you on it. You were bending over backwards trying to prove, that we must sell to Roma, because player prefers Roma.
My point- we should sell to the highest bidder. That's about it. Players will should only matter if the bids are equal. And you seem fine with the idea, with Calafiori and Todibo cases, who reportedly only wanted Juve. Again, you should make up your mind which is it. Until you do, i have no interest in discussion with a bot.

As for Soule valuation, i can perfectly see another team selling him for twice of what we sold him for. That was not a good deal. For example Palermo sold us Dybala for 42(?)mil with similar age and similar stats. And that was almost 10years ago.
Last summer Hojlund went to MU for ~73mil. Again 1 season in Serie A. Even worse stats despite being nr9.
Jeremy Doku went to MC for 60mil. With whopping 6goals+ 2asists for Rennes in Ligue1.
Brennan Johnson to Totenham for 55mil with 8goals and 3asists for Nottingham.
Bradley Barcola for 45mil to PSG from Lyon. 5goals and 8assists, despite being nr9.
Vitor Roque straight from Brazil to Barca for 50mil.

So yeah. Teams pay for potential of young attackers. I don't see how is it even a discussion.

 

[Amer]

Have i said that Soule should have been sold for more? I had enough of your BS "this isn't human trafficking" argument and called you on it. You were bending over backwards trying to prove, that we must sell to Roma, because player prefers Roma.
My point- we should sell to the highest bidder. That's about it. Players will should only matter if the bids are equal. And you seem fine with the idea, with Calafiori and Todibo cases, who reportedly only wanted Juve. Again, you should make up your mind which is it. Until you do, i have no interest in discussion with a bot.

As for Soule valuation, i can perfectly see another team selling him for twice of what we sold him for. That was not a good deal. For example Palermo sold us Dybala for 42(?)mil with similar age and similar stats. And that was almost 10years ago.
Last summer Hojlund went to MU for ~73mil. Again 1 season in Serie A. Even worse stats despite being nr9.
Jeremy Doku went to MC for 60mil. With whopping 6goals+ 2asists for Rennes in Ligue1.
Brennan Johnson to Totenham for 55mil with 8goals and 3asists for Nottingham.
Bradley Barcola for 45mil to PSG from Lyon. 5goals and 8assists, despite being nr9.
Vitor Roque straight from Brazil to Barca for 50mil.

So yeah. Teams pay for potential of young attackers. I don't see how is it even a discussion.

So much this.

But bro, be careful. You're delivering facts. And that's dangerous. You will have to be prepared to take the heat in this place.

 

[Alin]

Definitely.

Even if GK makes a blunder I can still forgive him, but only if he's good with his feet.

Here's and example. Our GK makes a blunder and we're down 1-0 to Como. Then our GK starts new action with a ball, he tricks an opposition attacker and starts our new action splendidly leaving that attacker fool behind unable to defend any more. He passes the ball to Bremer. Then Bremer passes to Fagioli. Then Fagioli losses the ball. But Thuram 's son still recovers it somehow. We continue to attack and score. Game ends 1-1.

Will I be happy about the result?

Of course not.

But I will be happy with the breathtaking moves from out GK who started that attack and we scored the only goal of the game thanks to him.

I genuinely bursted out laughing when reading this, no other place but on tuZ’ is where you can read such gems.

 

[JCK]

Have i said that Soule should have been sold for more? I had enough of your BS "this isn't human trafficking" argument and called you on it. You were bending over backwards trying to prove, that we must sell to Roma, because player prefers Roma.
My point- we should sell to the highest bidder. That's about it. Players will should only matter if the bids are equal. And you seem fine with the idea, with Calafiori and Todibo cases, who reportedly only wanted Juve. Again, you should make up your mind which is it. Until you do, i have no interest in discussion with a bot.

As for Soule valuation, i can perfectly see another team selling him for twice of what we sold him for. That was not a good deal. For example Palermo sold us Dybala for 42(?)mil with similar age and similar stats. And that was almost 10years ago.
Last summer Hojlund went to MU for ~73mil. Again 1 season in Serie A. Even worse stats despite being nr9.
Jeremy Doku went to MC for 60mil. With whopping 6goals+ 2asists for Rennes in Ligue1.
Brennan Johnson to Totenham for 55mil with 8goals and 3asists for Nottingham.
Bradley Barcola for 45mil to PSG from Lyon. 5goals and 8assists, despite being nr9.
Vitor Roque straight from Brazil to Barca for 50mil.

So yeah. Teams pay for potential of young attackers. I don't see how is it even a discussion.

Because a few here think that it is their given right to defend blindly whatever the club does evven though deep down they know that Junktloli (in this case) is doing a shit job, so shit that it will take years to recover. The guy is setting us back lower than mid-table standards.

 

[Amer]

at this point i cant tell if u either have a feet fetish or goalie fetish

Or, God forbid, both.

 

[4ndr3i]

Soule also hit the ground running at Roma. 2 assists and 1 goal in the 3 friendly games they have played. He’s a natural gem at barely 21 years old with huge upside.

But hey let’s give 35M for fucking 27 year old Galeno.

 

[campionesidd]

He is being put on fraud watch as we speak.

 

[rainhard]

Have i said that Soule should have been sold for more? I had enough of your BS "this isn't human trafficking" argument and called you on it. You were bending over backwards trying to prove, that we must sell to Roma, because player prefers Roma.
My point- we should sell to the highest bidder. That's about it. Players will should only matter if the bids are equal. And you seem fine with the idea, with Calafiori and Todibo cases, who reportedly only wanted Juve. Again, you should make up your mind which is it. Until you do, i have no interest in discussion with a bot.

As for Soule valuation, i can perfectly see another team selling him for twice of what we sold him for. That was not a good deal. For example Palermo sold us Dybala for 42(?)mil with similar age and similar stats. And that was almost 10years ago.
Last summer Hojlund went to MU for ~73mil. Again 1 season in Serie A. Even worse stats despite being nr9.
Jeremy Doku went to MC for 60mil. With whopping 6goals+ 2asists for Rennes in Ligue1.
Brennan Johnson to Totenham for 55mil with 8goals and 3asists for Nottingham.
Bradley Barcola for 45mil to PSG from Lyon. 5goals and 8assists, despite being nr9.
Vitor Roque straight from Brazil to Barca for 50mil.

So yeah. Teams pay for potential of young attackers. I don't see how is it even a discussion.

The fact that there are no big clubs lining up for his signature is what drive his valuation. Not 1 season experience in Serie A. If the like of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man City come knocking for him and each of them submit a formal bid, then it will shoot their valuation because the "fear of missing out" factor from those club. There will be a bidding war with the ceiling is what the value those club ready to sacrifice for this player

 

[Robee]

Have i said that Soule should have been sold for more? I had enough of your BS "this isn't human trafficking" argument and called you on it. You were bending over backwards trying to prove, that we must sell to Roma, because player prefers Roma.
My point- we should sell to the highest bidder. That's about it. Players will should only matter if the bids are equal. And you seem fine with the idea, with Calafiori and Todibo cases, who reportedly only wanted Juve. Again, you should make up your mind which is it. Until you do, i have no interest in discussion with a bot.

As for Soule valuation, i can perfectly see another team selling him for twice of what we sold him for. That was not a good deal. For example Palermo sold us Dybala for 42(?)mil with similar age and similar stats. And that was almost 10years ago.
Last summer Hojlund went to MU for ~73mil. Again 1 season in Serie A. Even worse stats despite being nr9.
Jeremy Doku went to MC for 60mil. With whopping 6goals+ 2asists for Rennes in Ligue1.
Brennan Johnson to Totenham for 55mil with 8goals and 3asists for Nottingham.
Bradley Barcola for 45mil to PSG from Lyon. 5goals and 8assists, despite being nr9.
Vitor Roque straight from Brazil to Barca for 50mil.

So yeah. Teams pay for potential of young attackers. I don't see how is it even a discussion.

As much bullshit as you spit... Who bid more than Roma's 30 million? Waiting for ages on the answer now.

Second question; did you want to pay 50 million for Calafiori or 40 for Todibo + 20% resale?

There is no discussion idd unless you want to prove / acknowledge this. I already said we could've and should've forced Roma to bid higher if there ever was a higher offer... Reality is there was no one.

 

[Al Birdie]

As much bullshit as you spit... Who bid more than Roma's 30 million? Waiting for ages on the answer now.

Don't know. You also don't know. Does it matter though? That's my nr1 question? Because:

It's not human trafficking... If Soulé wants Roma than you can't exactly force him elsewhere.

Second question; did you want to pay 50 million for Calafiori or 40 for Todibo + 20% resale?

Never said that either.
How come Bologna and Nice are getting away with human trafficking though?

 

[Robee]

Don't know. You also don't know. Does it matter though? That's my nr1 question?


Never said that either.
How come Bologna and Nice are getting away with human trafficking though?

I do know, there were no such bids reported. If no one offers more, the highest offer came from Roma and we sold to the highest bidder, like you wanted.

They don't, because we never came close enough to their asking price. You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Al Birdie]

I'll ask for the last time. Does it matter (to you) what bids we received? "It's not human trafficking... If Soulé wants Roma than you can't exactly force him elsewhere."

 

[Robee]

I'll ask for the last time. Does it matter (to you) what bids we received? "It's not human trafficking... If Soulé wants Roma than you can't exactly force him elsewhere."

I'll answer it AGAIN, yes it matters; it's leverage to force Roma to bid much higher. So now, go and answer the questions I posed.

So who bid higher or why are you whining when we sold to the highest bidder?

 

[Amer]

I'll answer it AGAIN, yes it matters; it's leverage to force Roma to bid much higher. So now, go and answer the questions I posed.

So who bid higher or why are you whining when we sold to the highest bidder?

How do you know we sold to highest bidder?

 

[Robee]

How do you know we sold to highest bidder?

No higher bids were reported. If you like to complain about things you simply imagine; be my guest.

I already said multiple times if there were higher hids, we should've pushed Roma higher.

 

[Al Birdie]

I'll answer it AGAIN, yes it matters; it's leverage to force Roma to bid much higher. So now, go and answer the questions I posed.

So who bid higher or why are you whining when we sold to the highest bidder?

Cool.
So in other words this IS human trafficking and we CAN "exactly force him elsewhere", even "if Soulé wants Roma". Correct?

 

[Robee]

Cool.
So in other words this IS human trafficking and we CAN "exactly force him elsewhere", even "if Soulé wants Roma". Correct?

Nope. Human traficking is forcing somewhere to go where you want. Transfers is about trying to get the highest offer possible and players have leverage too. You're forcefully trying to twist and turn into what point?

 

[Al Birdie]

Nope. Human traficking is forcing somewhere to go where you want. Transfers is about trying to get the highest offer possible and players have leverage too. You're forcefully trying to twist and turn into what point?

God damn it. We were so close.
Ok, let's try this way. Player "X" has two offers. Club "A" offers "Y" euros; Club "B" offers "Y-10mil" euros. Player "X" prefers to move to Club "B". Where do we sell?

 

[rainhard]

God damn it. We were so close.
Ok, let's try this way. Player "X" has two offers. Club "A" offers "Y" euros; Club "B" offers "Y-10mil" euros. Player "X" prefers to move to Club "B". Where do we sell?

To A, but the player reject, he want with NT friends (Dybala, Paredes) instead with his friend from Frosinone (Caleb Okoli) and the deal collapsed. We asked club B to match the fee of the club A , they match the bid and we accept, the player want club B, the transfer happen. We are waiting for more payment to come in our bank, bonuses to be pay and some money if they sell him for some profit

18 July 2024
source : https://football-italia.net/leicester-city-warned-as-roma-send-formal-bid-for-juventus-talent-soule/
This one from football italia on 18 July 2024 stated Roma bid for 25m Euro and Leicester bid for 30m euro including bonuses and addons

19 July 2024 Leicester bid for Soule 21m pound or around 24.525.813,31 based on today exchange currency
source : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/07/19/matias-soule-leciester-city-juventus-new-bid/
source : https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c0jq49qw2n9o (BBC on 20 July reporting the same amount)

If these sources to be believe then I believe probably Leicester offer for Soule is around 21m pound +4m pound addon (25m pound in total which is translate as 29.2m euro if I use calculator with today currency rate). Usually those EPL club bid in those pretty numbers, so roughly Italian media will report it as 30m Euro (including addons). And they never spoke about the % sell on fee on next transfer with Leicester (cmiiw). sometimes some transfer guru will miss in communication instead reporting the 4m pound as addon include they add those numbers again in the transfer bid amount they reporting so they count for the bonuses 2 times that is where the estimation of 35m euro Leicester bid come

So basically with Roma we got the same deal which is 26+4m in addons and we get 10% of resale value. I really think this resale value is what Giuntoli consider to fill those 5-10m difference in our asking price of 35-40m

Case closed. We sell him he is not our player anymore and hopefully he just be a mediocre but still with some flashy moves and he can record another 50m transfer hopefully to Saudi club at least we will get another 5m from this transaction. Just like when AS Roma sell Auoar for profit