Controversy Thread (2 Viewers)

[gsol]

Is Calciopoli really over? Many argued that the sentence handed down to Juventus was too harsh considering the recent revelations regarding the trial. Regardless, at least the worst was over…or was it?

The opening nine games of the Serie A season have given fans an uneasy feeling. Juventus have been forced to leave points on the field on many occasions due to errors committed by the newly “cleaned up” Italian Soccer system.

We have watched in shock as 5 questionable penalties (6 including the Coppa Italia) have been called against Juventus. We saw two obvious penalties waved away against Udinese which could have overturned the result. In the same game a Iaquinta equalizer was called back for a foul committed meters away. Juventus were deemed “lucky” to have tied Roma only to have replays reveal that a Totti goal was scored from an offside position.

So far Juventus have received 24 yellow cards and 2 red cards (3rd worst in Serie A). Two Juventus players (Zanetti and Nedved) currently sit as the second most booked players in Italy. In addition coach Claudio Ranieri has already been ejected once and 6 days worth of player suspensions have been handed down to the team on top of a supporter ban in Florence. Enough beating around the bush…something is up.

Last year saw shady referees break the 2003-2004 record for most altered games due to referee errors (41 % of games) according to statistical research company Adiconsum. This year has already set the pace to beat that record. The research analysts stated on October 16th in La Repubblica that so far 43% of games have been altered by referee errors and yesterday’s catastrophe at the San Paolo had not yet occurred.

So obvious were the errors that led to two Napoli penalties that Napoli President De Laurentiis issued an apology to Juventus President Cobolli Gigli. This will do little to appease Juventus fans. The buzz around Juventus fan forums in Italy is that enough is enough. According to the major fan groups, if Juventus management fails to take immediate action (again) that the Ultra groups (backed by individual shareholders) will demand the formal resignations of the team’s leadership in the hopes that the team will be taken over by those who mean to defend it.

References regarding Adiconsum:

http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=7&a=57489

http://www.sportnews.it/articoli/20...mpionato_uno_studio_le_ha_contate_1398365.php

 

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[Red]

Not exactly the same, Red.
QUOTE]

I know they weren't the same. It is just they were both questionable decisions whih were both correct.

One for us, one against.

 

[Boksic]

According to FIFA there is no rule against having raised hands. That doesn't constitute intention

really, i always thought that when your hands are up (ie in an unusual position , not by your side) and the ball hits them then it would be a penalty.

oh well maybe we were hard done by....AGAIN!!

 

[ZAF3000]

controversial decisions coming from everywhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E5RGMQEgq8

I'll try to provide similar video analysis for probable future misfortunes. What a shame.

There are also some weird calls like during Juve Vs Genoa. Nedved passes the ball to Del Piero. Both were on the same line IF not Del Piero was even abit behind. The ref called it an offside becasue Del Piero was ahead of the last defender.. WHO CARES. the rule states as long as the player was not AHEAD of where the ball originated the last defender's position isn't important. Not only that, during the replay the Director drew the line on the last defender WHICH IS WRONG. The line should've been drawn on the ball. This way, the viewers will think its a correct call although it wasn't.
That was a one on one chance for Del Piero that the ref denied.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Juventini want justice
This Powerless board can't defend our team in legal or illegal ways.
Fiat are not behind of us since Agnelli's death.
We need new owners and strong board

 

[Vimto]

It's enough we suffered too much the current board must resign, somebody with balls has to take the position of Cobolli Gigli and co

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

http://juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23009

 

[juventus1897]

All this only proves that the refs are inexperienced. Falling for dives also proves this. And dont say "Collina agreed that it was a bad call after watching the scene in super slow motion for half an hour from every possible angle". The ref has to make a decision within a split second, so of course he'll see some things different. Lots of ref mistakes have been made so far this season, not just against Juve. We should be collecting all mistakes and showcasing them to make a point, not just the bad calls against us (leaving out the bad calls that were in our favor).

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

actually forget that

here

http://juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23084


same shit again

 

[ZAF3000]

All this only proves that the refs are inexperienced. Falling for dives also proves this. And dont say "Collina agreed that it was a bad call after watching the scene in super slow motion for half an hour from every possible angle". The ref has to make a decision within a split second, so of course he'll see some things different. Lots of ref mistakes have been made so far this season, not just against Juve. We should be collecting all mistakes and showcasing them to make a point, not just the bad calls against us (leaving out the bad calls that were in our favor).

We are considered cheaters when much much lighter episodes or less questionable episodes are given to our favour. But when we are heavily penaltied noone cares.
I used to go for the "ref/human error" but after the series of trying to sput Juve down by other teams I'd say its a consipercy against Juve.

Media talks that Juve are cheaters - FAILED
Doping Trial - FAILED
Random things like The ibra and Cananvaro episodes - FAILED
The rumor of Calciopoli - FAILED
The actual calciopoli and demotion to Serie b - Also FAILED taking into consdieration our impressive comeback.
The way FIGC is treating us now - WILL ALSO FAIL.

 

[Gill_juve]

We are considered cheaters when much much lighter episodes or less questionable episodes are given to our favour. But when we are heavily penaltied noone cares.
I used to go for the "ref/human error" but after the series of trying to sput Juve down by other teams I'd say its a consipercy against Juve.

Media talks that Juve are cheaters - FAILED
Doping Trial - FAILED
Random things like The ibra and Cananvaro episodes - FAILED
The rumor of Calciopoli - FAILED
The actual calciopoli and demotion to Serie b - Also FAILED taking into consdieration our impressive comeback.
The way FIGC is treating us now - WILL ALSO FAIL.

true, and towards the end of serie B it seemed like a lot more people were behind us.

 

[Snoop]

you guys sound like Inter fans..

 

[juventus1897]

you guys sound like Inter fans..

Insults are always helpful, good work!

 

[gsol]

what's your point?

 

[Max]

There's no use calling for every FIGC-affiliated individual's head boys, so calm down. Every attempt at an appeal for Calciopoli will fail and any evidence compiled and presented for the "conspiracy against Juventus" will be laughed at by the rest of the world. The only option is to fight, and once Juventus wins again, it'll feel one-hundred times more rewarding than sitting around complaining to the Court of Sporting Justice or whatever the fuck they want to call it.

 

[X Æ A-12]

this is bullshit. once the calciopoli scandal is "cleaned up" then the real shit happens/ Fuck the Figc, Fuck relegation, Fuck the penalties agaisnt us, Fuck Lavezzi, Fuck Zalayeta, Fuck that ref from yesterday, Fuck napoli, Fuck Collina, and Fuck inter.

 

[Snoop]

resignation?? yeah like we are in the bottom of the table, yeah let's make it worse when we are doing good.. Idiot!

I am fucking sick of this fools posts everywhere, all of them has one message and we got it already, isn't it breaking the rules when you repeat yourself in every thread and keep opening threads?? ban time I say!

 

[Dinsdale]

The buzz around Juventus fan forums in Italy is that enough is enough. According to the major fan groups, if Juventus management fails to take immediate action (again) that the Ultra groups (backed by individual shareholders) will demand the formal resignations of the team’s leadership in the hopes that the team will be taken over by those who mean to defend it.

I know things have got serious after yesterday's game and we all feel kind of screwed over, but that's just bullcrap.

 

[Ahmed]

watever but Juve must take some kind of action...

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

it's all upto the FIGC or Collina or some shithead like that to bring justice! it may be a lost cause n all that crap... but this is too serious!!! we cant let this happen!!!