Claudio Ranieri (18 Viewers)

[Red]

Just wanted to tease you Red, i dont see us able to lure Rafa either.
We would be a great step backwards to his carrier...
But i dont want us to take unnecessary risks, just for the sake of it.
Conte is hardly a step forward, why would we sacrifice our stability, for an empty promise??
Not mention that there are chances that Conte could be proven as a major flop, we simply cant afford this now and it would also jeopardize Conte's coaching carrier.
Let him prove himself first. Atm we need someone with great exp and vision.
Our board has decided that CR is that money and they are willing to sacrifice our current winning chances, in order to achieve stability and let CR set the bases for a competitive team. I was strongly opposed to his selection, but the choice is already made, there is no turning point now...
I can only hope that we will find a better coach to lead this competitive team, when its done (after the five to fifty year plan Secco and co have in mind)...

I agree about Conte.

Next season we should have a squad that is capable of a serious Scudetto challenge.

I think Ranieri has done well so far, but I would like to see us get a top class coach in the summer.

If there isn't a top class coach about, I would stick with Ranieri for another year and, finally, give him his chance to lead a squad that has a realistic chance of winning a major trophy.

 

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[Mark]

A poll will be open after this season about a new coach or status quo. In the meantime I'm contemplating about having a favorite pornstar avatar week festival.

 

[Vinman]

yeah RUINERI is responsible for our horrible record against English teams in the past 7 years.

another genius post by the great PISSman

I'm not concerned with the past, Lioness, I'm concerned with how poorly we are NOW, and if you dont like my posts then put me on the ignore list dude.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

A poll will be open after this season about a new coach or status quo. In the meantime I'm contemplating about having a favorite pornstar avatar week festival.

i shotgun ashlynn brookes

 

[Vinman]

ignore him he said we wouldnt even qualify from the group!

he is an anti-juventus juventus fan

a stupid comment from one of the many village idiots

now I see why you like RUINeri so much, you have so much in common

 

[Cronios]

Experience, as a coach is def. smth Conte doesnt have and he def. wont have Barca's resources and players...therefore it is essential that he is knowing, exactly what he is doing.
We need someone able to win with a handicap (Molinaro), i m sure that Conte would do better with players like Etoo, Messi, Poyol, Henry etc at his disposal...
but to engage exp coaches like Mourinho, against the far more superior material with mediocre tools, is def smth beyond his league...


Vision is very important and should be combined with exp. But not any kind of vision would do,at least right now. We need smth achievable, smth we can actually realize. And above all, smth optimal!!
To understand our needs+limits, to comprehend our realistic chances and pre-calculate the future effect of those choices, will have in the long run.
We need smth who has actually done this job several times before.
Someone who has tried this before so many times, that he has learned from his insignificant mistakes and knows with certainty what he is actually doing
and how to prevent them, how to be nearly perfect, how to be optimal!
We cannot afford experiments, we are already falling behind, we must minimize the risks.
Conte is the very definition of a risk, he has never given the chance to build a competitive team like Juve, heck, he has never actually coached a top team works! How could he possibly be aware of our needs, when he doesnt actually knows what it works?

Influence, i mean mostly political and largely a prestige in the Italian peninsula and the European continent. Someone who's image, can deflect the face of a true/proven leader.
Someone who would attract some promising players, by satisfying their ambition only with his sheer presence! (imaging Ribery admitting that his dream has always been to be taught be the great Conte himself, with awe in his eyes)
Someone who could guarantee for us in the press and his word wold actually mean smth.
Someone who could not be dismissed by a simple Secco wave of fingers...
Def not a pawn like the overjoyed/smiling CR, or a puppet like the former Milan players, ala Donadoni, Berlusca wants...
What would Conte add to our board's know-how?? They are clueless, they havent done it before, but same goes for Conte! He would def wouldnt inspire guidance to Gigli, for one...

Unknown coaches make their names in smaller teams, the most competitive teams*cannot afford to risk their competitive status and try them out one by one.
Because most of them remain nothing more than a promise.
We are now at the turning point, of becoming competitive again.
Probably the most vulnerable part of entire history.
This is not the time for unnecessary risks. If we fail now, we might never recover... Unlike Barca, the old Juve and Milan, we cannot afford such a thing right now. We need to be reestablished first...

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Gasperini is my top, realistic pick.

 

[Lion]

Wow! Another beautiful scene, Ranieri lovers are disrespecting Juve legend Conte now. AMAZING

Where did I disrespect Conte?

 

[Lion]

I'm not concerned with the past, Lioness, I'm concerned with how poorly we are NOW, and if you dont like my posts then put me on the ignore list dude.

No way man. It's nothing personal. You're too much fun (in a good way) to put on the ignore list.

anyways PISSman. You can say that you aren't concerned about the past but we have a huge psychological disadvantage while playing English teams, even with previous teams that we have had that were superior to the current squad. That was evident in the 1st against chelsea. Only later in the match did we understand that we could match them.

I don't think 4-3-3 would have made any difference in that match. We just lacked the mental edge in that the opening minutes of that first leg and it killed us. You could say that is Ranieri's fault as he is required to motivate his players.

 

[- vOnAm -]

-I'm not a big fan of Ranieri, but he did much better this year than last. Last year he made plenty of sub changes that proved critical in the wrong way especially against small teams. This year less so.

-Ranieri isn't a mid table coach, he is a top table coach, but not a winner. He guarantees top spot finish, just not the very top.

-I think our board was very serious when they said we are looking to get Juve back to previous glory in 5 years(from promotion). Hence, their summer signings have all been for long term preparations. Safe gradual progress to ensure future stability.

Thats why, we have bizarre signings, like getting forward Amauri, when we had Trez, DP, Iaquinta and really needed creativity. This for long term buying tactics.

Of course, not overlooking the fact Juve signed middle class players who flopped dreadfully. Not to mention Secco's reluctance to spend and sign players like Xabi Alonzo as to Poulsen.
But on the positives, it does beat signing a Top class player who flops dreadfully.

Look how much Mourinho spent on his Inter team, and how much his new signings contributed! Mancini n Quaresma?
(the latter many of you wanted here if I'm not mistaken)

-Juve don't have the financial muscle we use to (which wasn't much either, but we had more influence and attraction for players to come and clubs to get along with us back then).
Lets just hope they were saving some to spend big on top class players this year having gotten more money from Champions League

-Take a look at our summer transfers collectively after next season, it will seem more complete and understandable. (CR years 1-3) - Im still rather hopeful about this.

-Lastly, I am one of the guys who wish CR to remain at the helm for one more year, his last year without tropihes(scudetto or CL) Bash me all you like.

3 Years should be enough to really prove himself, and I'd rather CR finish his team building rather than getting a new coach and implement new ideas while the current squad is based around CR's vision.

-Capello's 2 losses to Liverpool and Arsenal, were more humiliating and low spirited performance from a stronger Juve squad. I never could say I was proud of our performance during those two match ups. We didn't show heart.

 

[icemaη]

Missing out on Alonso wasn't Secco's fault entirely... I've said this earlier too, we never standed a chance to sign Alonso unless Rafa got Barry...

 

[- vOnAm -]

Missing out on Alonso wasn't Secco's fault entirely... I've said this earlier too, we never standed a chance to sign Alonso unless Rafa got Barry...

Rafa clearly stated that Liverpool have given their price, and Juve need to match it.
We simply did not.

And because Liverpool couldn't sell Alonso, they didn't have the money to buy Barry, who also had a price tag that Liverpool could agree upon had alonso been sold.

So clearly, it was down to Juve's spending decisions.

 

[icemaη]

Rafa clearly stated that Liverpool have given their price, and Juve need to match it.
We simply did not.

And because Liverpool couldn't sell Alonso, they didn't have the money to buy Barry, who also had a price tag that Liverpool could agree upon had alonso been sold.

So clearly, it was down to Juve's spending decisions.

Not true. Aston Villa had clearly overpriced Barry and Liverpool wasn't willing to meet that... He would've only sold Alonso after he secured Barry, not the other way around... Alonso was overpriced as well, Secco tried negotiating and but Liverpool played hardball. No other club (apart from Arsenal) was even considering Alonso, so there was no need to up the price... Arsenal never pays over the odds...

If I remember right Sissoko was priced at around 15-20 million and we got him for 13 million... It would be stupid to pay the asking price on any player from a business point of view unless you are Manchester City... Would you pay 100 million for David Villa? thats what Valencia are asking for him...

 

[Hust]

if you ask me, no player is worth 100,000,000.00.

 

[Amaurisimo]

about Rafa

He would be great. However, if he leaves Liverpool, I expect him to go to Real Madrid.

[/B]I really struggle to come up with top class coaches that I consider a realistic option.

Just wanted to tease you Red, i dont see us able to lure Rafa either.
We would be a great step backwards to his carrier...

So, the same stands for Ancelotti, Jose, Ramos, Wegner, it would be steps backward for them as well??? Maybe we should get some players first, but hey, than even CR could do better, could it- or he would not, cos he is NOT winner, but Conte , Prandelli etc are??

But i dont want us to take unnecessary risks, just for the sake of it.
Conte is hardly a step forward, why would we sacrifice our stability, for an empty promise??
Not mention that there are chances that Conte could be proven as a major flop, we simply cant afford this now and it would also jeopardize Conte's coaching carrier.
Let him prove himself first. Atm we need someone with great exp and vision.

I'm not concerned with the past, Lioness, I'm concerned with how poorly we are NOW, and if you dont like my posts then put me on the ignore list dude.

year, we are really poor..you mean playing wise or money wise??? :melayyanandmessi:

-I'm not a big fan of Ranieri, but he did much better this year than last.
-Ranieri isn't a mid table coach, he is a top table coach, but not a winner. He guarantees top spot finish, just not the very top.

Look how much Mourinho spent on his Inter team, and how much his new signings contributed! Mancini n Quaresma?
(the latter many of you wanted here if I'm not mistaken)

Lastly, I am one of the guys who wish CR to remain at the helm for one more year, his last year without tropihes.

Missing out on Alonso wasn't Secco's fault entirely... I've said this earlier too, we never standed a chance to sign Alonso unless Rafa got Barry...

true that. Price of Alonso was dictated by price of Barry which was sky high for us..


I think that everyone agree that last year we done very well, above all expectations...
This season , according to loud and real supporters who predicted standings, we should be in 6-7th place, but we are 2nd FFS. So we improved on last, very successful season and considering all injuries i am really happy about our progress not to mention fighting spirit and passion.

I mean, really how far some of you would like to go in order to get CR out of club, regardless of results. I mean Andy said that if CR wins even CL he wants him out..So i guess some of you would like same? But than, are you real supporter or just real supporter

 

[Cronios]

So, the same stands for Ancelotti, Jose, Ramos, Wegner, it would be steps backward for them as well??? Maybe we should get some players first, but hey, than even CR could do better, could it- or he would not, cos he is NOT winner, but Conte , Prandelli etc are??

Yes it would
Getting some decent players or providing the necessary guarantees (financial resources and a solid plan)
CR is a proven loser, Conte is not a proven loser yet, but i wouldnt risk him anyway,
Prandelli is not bad.

year, we are really poor..you mean playing wise or money wise??? :melayyanandmessi:

Money wise of course...
I dont really think that this management actually has a decent plan and the ability to pull it through though, a top coach would see that and keep away...

 

[Cronios]

-I'm not a big fan of Ranieri, but he did much better this year than last.

When a new coach arrives, with a new scheme, the team's teamwork suffers a bit.
Last season we never actually fielded the same midfield twice, this season we finally had some cohesion... It was bound to happen anyway...

-I think our board was very serious when they said we are looking to get Juve back to previous glory in 5 years(from promotion). Hence, their summer signings have all been for long term preparations. Safe gradual progress to ensure future stability.
Thats why, we have bizarre signings, like getting forward Amauri, when we had Trez, DP, Iaquinta and really needed creativity. This for long term buying tactics.

And i think that they were/are delusional, clueless and they have wasted some valuable time and committed some grave errors. Their transfer strategy dont make any tactical or strategic sense.
Why would the signing of a quality and young creative midfielder or defender,
would be proved more useful now or in the future, than Amauri?????????
A young defender of Amauri's quality for ex, would have been a starter replacing some of the mediocre material we have now, he would greatly enhance our team now and become one of the core parts of the future, competitive Juve.
On the contrary, with Amauri, we will be forced to waste on the bench or sell one of our champions (Treze) and still endure the same mediocre quality of defense.
Same and much worse goes on Poulsen, what exactly did Poulsen added into our team, rather than some more depth in an overcrowded position??
We wouldnt we sign someone as young and good as him, in a place we lack starter material??

But on the positives, it does beat signing a Top class player who flops dreadfully.

Top/proven players rarely flop though, esp comparing with players that havent played for the season before (Tiago, Andrade, Ronaldinho) or players that have never ever played at this level (F O Neil, Almiron)
Players like Milito, Sissoko, Alonso, are a safe bet, comparing to them!

-Take a look at our summer transfers collectively after next season, it will seem more complete and understandable. (CR years 1-3) - Im still rather hopeful about this.[/QUOTE]
If we buy Cassano, it will def not seem more complete.
Iaquinta, then Amauri, then Cassano.
When we already have 2 world class forwards upfront, some promising youngsters (Palla, Giovinco, Lanza etc, we even had the option to keep Mutu)
While, in the mean time, we cant find a better starter LB, than Molinaro...

3 Years should be enough to really prove himself, and I'd rather CR finish his team building rather than getting a new coach and implement new ideas while the current squad is based around CR's vision.

I completely agree with this point, if we off load CR now, we are also conceding our famous 5 year plan, that would mean we have to endure another decade of lame excuses...

 

[3pac]

Gasperini is the guy that introduced me to Buffon and Nedved... literally.


Back then he was just the primavera coach...

 

[Bjerknes]

I think that everyone agree that last year we done very well, above all expectations...
This season , according to loud and real supporters who predicted standings, we should be in 6-7th place, but we are 2nd FFS. So we improved on last, very successful season and considering all injuries i am really happy about our progress not to mention fighting spirit and passion.

I mean, really how far some of you would like to go in order to get CR out of club, regardless of results. I mean Andy said that if CR wins even CL he wants him out..So i guess some of you would like same? But than, are you real supporter or just real supporter

Of course. As long as he doesn't make sense, I'll want him out. Especially after results such as this where we could have used some players time and time again.

Honestly, I couldn't care less what people think. You can think I'm a cunt, a douchebag, a dumbass American, but what I do know is that past performances lead to future results, sort of contrary to the stock market's "past results do not insure future performances." And why is that? Because we are not trading stocks here. We have a team to worry about that hasn't worked thus far, showing weaknesses in various areas. There are really no indications as of yet why we should buy into our stock as the same irritating news always occurs, so people, investors and fans alike, don't have much to go upon. We are trading high risk exploding bonds that may fail.

So lets get back to basics and do what we need to do, as in by another great middie and central defender. Then perhaps we can invest into our own stock as a prudent investor.

 

[Amaurisimo]

i call you ignorant cunt