i call you ignorant cunt 
All I have to say is... SORT YOUR LIFE OUT MATE.
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It is okay. I've followed this game since it came to me in 1994, which I was very privileged to see being held in the US. Calling me an ignorant cunt is essentially whipping out all your history, whether it be with regards to the DOW or not.
All I have to say is... SORT YOUR LIFE OUT MATE.
All I have to say is... SORT YOUR LIFE OUT MATE.
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I disagree that top proven players rarely flop, only the very best rarely. Sissoko wasn't considered a top proven player at the time. His reputation was probably similar to Tiago if not less because he was benched.
We could have looked for creativity, but I'm betting CR didn't like the options he had with the budget that he had, remember Amauri didn't come via Cash, it was cash + player.
This means, had we the cash to buy a great creative player last season, a proven champion as you call it, I bet we would have.
But I think CR knew we had limited budget, and thus rather wait this year, after CL and better budget, to get a proven one. (i seriously hope so atleast)
Again you are looking at our transfers with the idea that our board is seriously making a challange last year and this year, if you consider the idea that our board is looking to challange next season or the one after, then you'll realize that who we buy, is for the team of the coming season, not this season alone.
Then hope that we don't!
Mutu was a different case, Secco was stupid as hell, and probably never watched football then, can't believe he was beside moggi through the years.
It was chaotic situation, and he thought 8 mil was good money in times of crisis. So wrong!
And he thought we could pursuade Ibra to stay.
Had he realized that Ibra was never going to stay, I think we wouldn't have let Mutu go.
We could have looked for creativity, but I'm betting CR didn't like the options he had with the budget that he had, remember Amauri didn't come via Cash, it was cash + player.
This means, had we the cash to buy a great creative player last season, a proven champion as you call it, I bet we would have.
But I think CR knew we had limited budget, and thus rather wait this year, after CL and better budget, to get a proven one. (i seriously hope so atleast)
Again you are looking at our transfers with the idea that our board is seriously making a challange last year and this year, if you consider the idea that our board is looking to challange next season or the one after, then you'll realize that who we buy, is for the team of the coming season, not this season alone.
Then hope that we don't!
Mutu was a different case, Secco was stupid as hell, and probably never watched football then, can't believe he was beside moggi through the years.
It was chaotic situation, and he thought 8 mil was good money in times of crisis. So wrong!
And he thought we could pursuade Ibra to stay.
Had he realized that Ibra was never going to stay, I think we wouldn't have let Mutu go.
How can you be sure of that, since we didnt even try, our first priority was to get Amauri all along. Smth we have been planning, even before the transfer window started.
If we were spending 15mil cash, + Nocerino+ Zalayeta to Napoli, we could sign Hamsik, i m sure of it! Or any other similar target in Italy.
We could also sign a top CB or RB, for the sum we gave to Poulsen!
But bringing in a creative player was a secondary target. Enforcing our defense was nearly neglettable, we just brought a free player, which have been arranged half a season before. Our priority was to sign Amauri, like he could solve our creativity issues, or enforce our weakest link, the defense.
Same thing can be said for the previous year, bar the obvious need for a CM and we also seem to follow the same pattern even now, despite already having 4 top class forwards and 2-3 more available youngsters...
This is a valid point, this year there are absolutely no more excuses left!!
This year we will see if our management had any kind of plan/vision, when they were making those transfers, or they were just stalling time with quick fixes, wasting money left and right!
If they spend the bulk of our transfer budget and keep using Molinaro, Grygera and Marchionni as starters, i expect you guy to run out of excuses for them and accept their incompetence with dignity!
On the contrary, only because of our choices i was convinced that we never actually had a chance to win anything this year!!
I would adore to see us investing on our future, even if that means that we would have to make some sacrifices momentarily. But i only see the exact opposite.
Thats exactly why i dint want a useless squad player like Poulsen,
Poulsen will never become world class, he wont a be starter in our future competitive Juve, he isnt even a starter now. Whats the point of wasting the very limited funds we have on subs, when we are not supposed to compete for any titles this season??
If we were signing less junk, like Almiron and Poulsen, we could have saved this money and buy a good starter that would fit in our long term plans.
But we already wasted millions upon millions on squad players, that would give us a temporal advantage. I dont see us respecting neither a short, or long term plan. Def not a long term plan. Is Almiron someone who would give us an advantage to win a title in the long term?? If we want just more depth, we could sign free players like Mellberg, or trust our very promising youngsters more!
When we were signing Iaquinta, did we have in mind that we will sign Amauri in the next year and Cassano right after that.
What kind of advantage Iaq gives us in the long run then??
The only real logic behind the transfers of Almiron, Mellberg, Molinaro, Grygera, Andrade, Iaquinta etc are to add momentarily depth to a half decent squad.
Their only practical use for a competitive team, would be a substitution role.
But baring in mind that we already had some promising youngsters for the sub role (Marchisio, Criscito, De Ceglie, Giovinco, Palladino and some would be (in 2-3 season from the moment we started buying them) relics, left in our squad, (Zanetti, Salih, DP, Kovac, Neddy, etc)
There was actually no need to waste any money, for practically no real advantage, neither tactical or strategical!
If we were really planning for the future, we would have half of this junk and 2-3 more starters by now, or at least the necessary funds them now, with the added CL prestige and income.
But we did wasted that money for a momentary gain and only, we won nothing more our remaining champions and youngsters would have won.
Adn furthermore, we were forced to correct those choices, spending even more money to correct them (Amauri for the strategical mistake called Iaquinta and Sissoko for the strategical and tactical mistake called Almiron), In the mean time we are abusing Neddy and use Moli+Grygera+Marchionni as starters...:melayyanandmessi:
If they fix that this season, then i ll admit that indeed they had some short of a plan in "mind"!!
And frankly, i ll be pleased that despite the mistakes, we already paid for and the far from optimal strategy we followed,
they have finally realized our needs and work towards them!
My expectations are very low now and very easily met.
I can only hope that an attempt to fix only half of the 4 places, we mentioned/need, will be made. Just half of them and only an attempt will please me.
I dont demand all of them and no results. Just to see us moving on the right direction. But if we instead buy Cassano and no fullbacks...umpkin:
If we were spending 15mil cash, + Nocerino+ Zalayeta to Napoli, we could sign Hamsik, i m sure of it! Or any other similar target in Italy.
We could also sign a top CB or RB, for the sum we gave to Poulsen!
But bringing in a creative player was a secondary target. Enforcing our defense was nearly neglettable, we just brought a free player, which have been arranged half a season before. Our priority was to sign Amauri, like he could solve our creativity issues, or enforce our weakest link, the defense.
Same thing can be said for the previous year, bar the obvious need for a CM and we also seem to follow the same pattern even now, despite already having 4 top class forwards and 2-3 more available youngsters...
This is a valid point, this year there are absolutely no more excuses left!!
This year we will see if our management had any kind of plan/vision, when they were making those transfers, or they were just stalling time with quick fixes, wasting money left and right!
If they spend the bulk of our transfer budget and keep using Molinaro, Grygera and Marchionni as starters, i expect you guy to run out of excuses for them and accept their incompetence with dignity!
On the contrary, only because of our choices i was convinced that we never actually had a chance to win anything this year!!
I would adore to see us investing on our future, even if that means that we would have to make some sacrifices momentarily. But i only see the exact opposite.
Thats exactly why i dint want a useless squad player like Poulsen,
Poulsen will never become world class, he wont a be starter in our future competitive Juve, he isnt even a starter now. Whats the point of wasting the very limited funds we have on subs, when we are not supposed to compete for any titles this season??
If we were signing less junk, like Almiron and Poulsen, we could have saved this money and buy a good starter that would fit in our long term plans.
But we already wasted millions upon millions on squad players, that would give us a temporal advantage. I dont see us respecting neither a short, or long term plan. Def not a long term plan. Is Almiron someone who would give us an advantage to win a title in the long term?? If we want just more depth, we could sign free players like Mellberg, or trust our very promising youngsters more!
When we were signing Iaquinta, did we have in mind that we will sign Amauri in the next year and Cassano right after that.
What kind of advantage Iaq gives us in the long run then??
The only real logic behind the transfers of Almiron, Mellberg, Molinaro, Grygera, Andrade, Iaquinta etc are to add momentarily depth to a half decent squad.
Their only practical use for a competitive team, would be a substitution role.
But baring in mind that we already had some promising youngsters for the sub role (Marchisio, Criscito, De Ceglie, Giovinco, Palladino and some would be (in 2-3 season from the moment we started buying them) relics, left in our squad, (Zanetti, Salih, DP, Kovac, Neddy, etc)
There was actually no need to waste any money, for practically no real advantage, neither tactical or strategical!
If we were really planning for the future, we would have half of this junk and 2-3 more starters by now, or at least the necessary funds them now, with the added CL prestige and income.
But we did wasted that money for a momentary gain and only, we won nothing more our remaining champions and youngsters would have won.
Adn furthermore, we were forced to correct those choices, spending even more money to correct them (Amauri for the strategical mistake called Iaquinta and Sissoko for the strategical and tactical mistake called Almiron), In the mean time we are abusing Neddy and use Moli+Grygera+Marchionni as starters...:melayyanandmessi:
If they fix that this season, then i ll admit that indeed they had some short of a plan in "mind"!!
And frankly, i ll be pleased that despite the mistakes, we already paid for and the far from optimal strategy we followed,
they have finally realized our needs and work towards them!
My expectations are very low now and very easily met.
I can only hope that an attempt to fix only half of the 4 places, we mentioned/need, will be made. Just half of them and only an attempt will please me.
I dont demand all of them and no results. Just to see us moving on the right direction. But if we instead buy Cassano and no fullbacks...
umpkin:
Ranieri puts himself in tight situations everytime, am starting to think he enjoys the chase-till-you-quench scenario everytime Juve play. He's never fully confident pf the team-which is why he stands throughout every match. I personally think we need someone that's fearless and can stand his ground over any decision he makes. I think the guy is not cut out to be a world class coach just yet-Juve isn't a training ground, he should go to a smaller club. He's just not confident enough. The boys played a fantastic match against Chelsea even the one (Tiago) that he said was a flop. I think that in the long run,Ranieri will do us more harm than good. At the end of the season, he should just leave-with the board of the course.
Cronios, yours is post of the month. You really dissected the whole Juventus dilemma and showed what we are doing wrong and proffered best solutions to these problems-wonder why you're not on the board.
I would really like to see Juve play more of the youngsters, but then consider that the board could really be trying to ease out these oldies, for the first time in the over 12 years that I've been supporting Juve, this is the only time am finding all the old players laughing after a CL defeat-is it that were so satisfied with the fact that they played well and lost, or that they're finally at the close of their careers, I honestly think there's something amiss.
Our young players can effectively and efficiently carry this team to glory, their spirit should always be high, let me re-iterate, Ranieri cant do it for Juve. I would have liked to see more young players that night against Chelsea though it didnt happen, I just cant wait to have them all back at the end of the season, I miss them alot, but will our board and coach feel the need to give these guys the chance to take Juve where Barca and Man Utd are heading? We'll have to wait till the end of the season and through the transfer window look at what they have in stock for the next season. Personal, i think this CL loss should signal the end of an era. Juve must move forward through the drive of youth, depth and experience of a rejuvenated squad, the fearlessness and technical know how of the right coach, the vision and leadership of an exemplary board, all fueled with the oneness of the voice of Juve fans all around the world. I want to see what the boards course of action will be next season...for you, for me, for those that are yet to become Juve fans...I hope it will be the best move we have yet to see in recent years.
I would really like to see Juve play more of the youngsters, but then consider that the board could really be trying to ease out these oldies, for the first time in the over 12 years that I've been supporting Juve, this is the only time am finding all the old players laughing after a CL defeat-is it that were so satisfied with the fact that they played well and lost, or that they're finally at the close of their careers, I honestly think there's something amiss.
Our young players can effectively and efficiently carry this team to glory, their spirit should always be high, let me re-iterate, Ranieri cant do it for Juve. I would have liked to see more young players that night against Chelsea though it didnt happen, I just cant wait to have them all back at the end of the season, I miss them alot, but will our board and coach feel the need to give these guys the chance to take Juve where Barca and Man Utd are heading? We'll have to wait till the end of the season and through the transfer window look at what they have in stock for the next season. Personal, i think this CL loss should signal the end of an era. Juve must move forward through the drive of youth, depth and experience of a rejuvenated squad, the fearlessness and technical know how of the right coach, the vision and leadership of an exemplary board, all fueled with the oneness of the voice of Juve fans all around the world. I want to see what the boards course of action will be next season...for you, for me, for those that are yet to become Juve fans...I hope it will be the best move we have yet to see in recent years.
Ranieri rages at 'spoilt' Trez
Friday 13 March, 2009
Claudio Ranieri has labelled David Trezeguet “a spoilt child” for his protests at being substituted against Chelsea.
Trezeguet was angry at being taken off during Juventus' Champions League last 16 second leg.
He publically questioned that decision from his Coach and has earned the scorn of his tactician.
“I feel betrayed by Trezeguet's words,” Ranieri growled on Sky Sport Italia.
“What he said annoyed me a lot and he seems like a spoilt child. He has let me down as a man, rather than a player.
“I haven't spoken to David about this. If he talks to me via the media then I will respond to him in the same way.
“I gave Trezeguet 100 per cent faith and as a Coach you cannot do more than that.
“We have always kept this kind of thing within the dressing room, but that seems to have changed now.
“He has made a big mistake, full stop. I don't know what will happen now.”
Ranieri hasn't selected Trezeguet for his squad to face Bologna, officially due to muscle fatigue.
“Bologna are doing well,” Ranieri said, turning to the match at hand.
“Marco Di Vaio is a great guy and he is on form delivering regular goals.
“The Rossoblu are a good counterattacking team and it will be hard for us. They are decent away from home and we expect a tough encounter.
“We have turned a new leaf after our European exit and we want to look forward.”
Friday 13 March, 2009
Claudio Ranieri has labelled David Trezeguet “a spoilt child” for his protests at being substituted against Chelsea.
Trezeguet was angry at being taken off during Juventus' Champions League last 16 second leg.
He publically questioned that decision from his Coach and has earned the scorn of his tactician.
“I feel betrayed by Trezeguet's words,” Ranieri growled on Sky Sport Italia.
“What he said annoyed me a lot and he seems like a spoilt child. He has let me down as a man, rather than a player.
“I haven't spoken to David about this. If he talks to me via the media then I will respond to him in the same way.
“I gave Trezeguet 100 per cent faith and as a Coach you cannot do more than that.
“We have always kept this kind of thing within the dressing room, but that seems to have changed now.
“He has made a big mistake, full stop. I don't know what will happen now.”
Ranieri hasn't selected Trezeguet for his squad to face Bologna, officially due to muscle fatigue.
“Bologna are doing well,” Ranieri said, turning to the match at hand.
“Marco Di Vaio is a great guy and he is on form delivering regular goals.
“The Rossoblu are a good counterattacking team and it will be hard for us. They are decent away from home and we expect a tough encounter.
“We have turned a new leaf after our European exit and we want to look forward.”
No, Trez is really like a child. I love the guy. More than almost all the other Juve players. But he needs to become a man. He's 31.
The fans and the club love him and everyone proved that we love him and trust him. Inzaghi was sold and Trez was given his chance. Most of the stars were sold but he was kept here. He made a real drama when we were relegated, he made drama with his hand gesture on the last serie B match and now he's doing it again. We kept him here, we did offer him new contract, we refused to sell him to Barca, Lyon and everyone else who wanted him. We've shown trust in him. Now after months of injury and without being 100% fit to give his best, we still prefered him to start the most important match of the season in front of the guy who gave his all for Juve this season, Amauri.
Trez should start using his brain before he goes moaning to the media.
He disappointed me a lot.
The fans and the club love him and everyone proved that we love him and trust him. Inzaghi was sold and Trez was given his chance. Most of the stars were sold but he was kept here. He made a real drama when we were relegated, he made drama with his hand gesture on the last serie B match and now he's doing it again. We kept him here, we did offer him new contract, we refused to sell him to Barca, Lyon and everyone else who wanted him. We've shown trust in him. Now after months of injury and without being 100% fit to give his best, we still prefered him to start the most important match of the season in front of the guy who gave his all for Juve this season, Amauri.
Trez should start using his brain before he goes moaning to the media.
He disappointed me a lot.
