Claudio Ranieri (21 Viewers)

Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
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I don't understand why he insists on persisting with the shit players: nocerino, palladingo, molinaro, marchionni and to some extent almoron and tiago. But hates giving chances to the likes of cristico, D.C and ofcourse giovinco.
 
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
Thanks for the concern.

Thanks for more opportunity of showing your mental acuity, I mean, did you just say fouls and yellow cards decides how rough a league is? (can be more simpleminded?) How about what the referees of that league sees as foul or a yellow card offense? In Serie A they whistle for ANYTHING most of the time. Even Rizzoli who is more of an EPL ref who lets them play rough, ruled foul on slightest touches, for example when Matrix dived when Ale just hovered around him. There are LOTS AND LOTS of soft fouls like that called every game.

I mean, La Liga is prolly even worse, the refs buy every single dive there, and give yellow cards for being in the vicinity of whoever has the ball.

So thats your number one argument? Nr 2 is, though its not an argument, that any football fan who watches the leagues can easily conclude which one is rougher? Really, wow, I didnt know that. I mean, do you even watch EPL? I have seen for example Bolton against Man U not too long ago, made 3-4 instant red card offenses, but they were let slide because "they got stuck in" as real footballers do. Thats the frigging norm there, not career threating tackles, but way more inclined to really rough physical game.
No, I'm not talking about soft fouls here that can be ignored. I'm talking about ruthless tackles that are potentially carreer ending. I have been watching La Liga, Serie A, and the Premiership for quite some time and I can assure you that the most violent tackles come from Serie A and the premiership( in the past).

Now, the premiership is a lot more pacy and it's deadly fouls are actually ver rare. In serie A, you're bound to see the game stop for at least 6 or 7 minutes becuase of reckless fouls. I may be wrong ofcourse because I have not been watching football as much as most people here, but from my experience this has been the case. Serie A always has the most stops in the game, the premiership and spanish League are a lot more sound than serie A in that aspect.

My point here is Giovinco will probably thrive against any team in Europe with his skills barring Inter and a few dirty teams in Italy where they are probably instructed to injure a player. Del piero has taken a few serious knocks in his time and let's not forget what injuries have done to his carreer.
 

Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
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oh and everyone must have seen the 'original' amauri for iaquinta sub coming.
If we aren't getting the striker on the ball, guess what? Change the midfielder!!!!!!
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
In conclusion before i get outa here:

Yes, gio is small and probably the smallest person in Seria A. BUT you can not deny him the class that he inevitably possesses. Sure with his size he poses a liability to the team, but how can you waste such a raw talent by only letting him play in less physical matches when he has the ability to turn games with one smart pass/play. i for one would at least, the very minimum, would like to see CR try him more this season so he can either prove us wrong or right. We arent going to know this guys limitations if CR doesnt ever play him, even if its for 20-30 mins. My argument is that if he is so small yet everyone says he possesses such class then why not at least give him a shot, then let fate take its course. If he is too small then the league will show us that, if he is truly the atomic ant then he will survive and become a bright star. He seemed to do well at empoli for 2 seasons, but if it means that we need to change our formation to utilize our next team icon is it worth it? worth the risk? He might be the next DP for us, just in a different position. But if he truly is the jewel everyone makes him out to be then why not take a risk? I am not going to argue anymore about his size, yes he is extremely tiny compared to a materazzi. I have no doubts in your case that if he put on a few pounds it would do wonders for him. I just hope that the ones here that think he is too small for Serie A will at least give him a chance to prove himself, but in order for that to happen CR needs to play him.
 
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
ok, now we are getting somewhere...i wouldnt mind changing our formation as long as we dont play with two DMs anymore. but i think he would receive less knocks playing in neddys position as he wouldnt be in the center where everyone could collapse on him.
If he played in neddy's position, he would be forced to run at defenders and that's where the danger is.

He should play in the middle where he can use his impressive vision to create chances for our strikers.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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The only thing I can say is REALLY watch EPL more closely, they are defenitely more rough. Only Ligue 1 is rougher in the top leagues.

And Serie A having most stops has NOTHING to do with being the most rough, actually is a sign for the opposite. The refs rule foul on the most minor of touches, while it takes a real hard felt knock at times for the ref to stop a game and rule foul in EPL. Please see this clear difference, the italian players in CL and NT allways complain for foul in the slighest of challenges, because they are used to refs who rule foul over slighest things (they have to adjust to another standard, but mainly complain of why someone breezing them wasnt a foul etc). Not exactly a sign the most gunho physical league, just the one that rules the most leniently in terms of fouls (La Liga is worse in that regard).

Regarding Gio, size matters, but not as half as the importance you give it. If the player himself is good enough, he will adapt and punish the stronger players in his own way. He isnt the first or last physically weak player to adapt and cope.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Gio will just need to toughen up. he seems pretty resilient but being able to take the punishment DP does he needs to bulk up.
 
Jun 13, 2007
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The only thing I can say is REALLY watch EPL more closely, they are defenitely more rough. Only Ligue 1 is rougher in the top leagues.

And Serie A having most stops has NOTHING to do with being the most rough, actually is a sign for the opposite. The refs rule foul on the most minor of touches, while it takes a real hard felt knock at times for the ref to stop a game and rule foul in EPL. Please see this clear difference, the italian players in CL and NT allways complain for foul in the slighest of challenges, because they are used to refs who rule foul over slighest things (they have to adjust to another standard, but mainly complain of why someone breezing them wasnt a foul etc). Not exactly a sign the most gunho physical league, just the one that rules the most leniently in terms of fouls (La Liga is worse in that regard).

Regarding Gio, size matters, but not as half as the importance you give it. If the player himself is good enough, he will adapt and punish the stronger players in his own way. He isnt the first or last physically weak player to adapt and cope.

I agree, Serie A players do tend to go down a lot more easilly than other players. This is evident. However, the stops I'm talking about usually result in long term injuries. The defenders in serie A are tough and unlike other leagues, they don't time their tackles very accurately. I don't watch the other leagues very much so I'm just going to have to take your word for it.

As for Gio, my point here is not his size. Del piero is only a few centimetres taller than Gio. My point here is his mass relative to his position on the pitch. If he plays instead of Neddy in Ranieri's formation, he will have to go back and defend on the wings, to do so, he has to be a little physical to be able to push players off the ball, to hold tackles etc.. Del piero plays in a position where mass matters a lot less.

He may adapt to that role but the fact is, that position requires certain physical aspects that Giovinco does not possess at the moment. This ofcourse only counts against physically powerful sides on the wings, ex: Maicon. Imagine Giovinco tustling away with Maicon for the ball, who do you think will win?
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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Del Piero, who plays as a striker/forward, who has to battle CBs like Materazzi/Kaladze/Ferdinand, plays in a position where mass matters a lot less?

Seriously dude, give it up already
 

tibike

Senior Member
Dec 11, 2007
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Now, I think we can all agree that serie A tops the standing with most fouls , yellow/red cards per game, this implies roughness and physicallity, which in turn implies Serie A is a more physical league than La Liga or the Premieriship.
I actually think Serie A will top them, just because it has the most strict referees. I mean, an EPL referee will call a foul only when there is blood or broken bones. In Serie A, referees generally call every touch. And you can see that in CL where many players from Italian teams dive and then wonder why no foul is given.
 

Sadomin

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2005
7,327
I don't understand why he insists on persisting with the shit players: nocerino, palladingo, molinaro, marchionni and to some extent almoron and tiago. But hates giving chances to the likes of cristico, D.C and ofcourse giovinco.
Criscito, Nocerino and Palladino were all given chances until it was obvious none of them were good enough. De Ceglie was given a chance but didn't really take it. Giovinco is a mystery however.
 

Salvo

J
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Dec 17, 2007
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all this bullshit of gio being too small is a load of crap. hes speed and technique would rip apart bigger defenders its stupid to say he is too small as that didnt stop him last year nor has it stopped any other small player. if you havent noticed everything is a free kick in serie a and gio wouldve gotten us many dangerous freekicks in dangerous areas by drawing the foul as he does so well. remember he is 21 and not a child anymore now is the time for him to be playing some of his best football, we can wait any longer. he is not a fragile little girl like most of you think, he is used to getting hacked and tackled badly like most speed and technique based players. look i love nedved but the man is past his prime let gio have a shot. if we dont play him now he will leave, and i would hate to see him go under a coach that plays him then become an amazing player.
 

jukazem

Senior Member
Feb 10, 2007
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btw you think it's Ranieri? I think we are lucky the only decision he is making is Nedved over Giovinco. Trezeguet, Zanetti, Poulson, Camo, Buffon are out. His judgement will be tested when they are back and he has to choose whether to change this winning team or rotate or what.
I had a feeling that Ranieri would be unwilling to bring in Camo since we were winning with Marcionni.

By the way, I would like to know the friendly fella who has been trying to lift my spirit by asking me 'not to moan' twice.
 

Miki

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2008
880
You seem to forget that we are talking about serie A, widely known as the most physical league in the world.


Now, I think we can all agree that serie A tops the standing with most fouls , yellow/red cards per game, this implies roughness and physicallity, which in turn implies Serie A is a more physical league than La Liga or the Premieriship.

Also, any football fan who watches all three leagues can easilly conclude which league is the most physical. I am talking roughness, not speed.
Sorry, man, but this is just wrong. You can't use statistics to determine that sort of thing. Maybe you don't watch EPL a lot, but rest assured its more physical than Serie A.
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
7,451
In conclusion before i get outa here:

Yes, gio is small and probably the smallest person in Seria A. BUT you can not deny him the class that he inevitably possesses. Sure with his size he poses a liability to the team, but how can you waste such a raw talent by only letting him play in less physical matches when he has the ability to turn games with one smart pass/play. i for one would at least, the very minimum, would like to see CR try him more this season so he can either prove us wrong or right. We arent going to know this guys limitations if CR doesnt ever play him, even if its for 20-30 mins. My argument is that if he is so small yet everyone says he possesses such class then why not at least give him a shot, then let fate take its course. If he is too small then the league will show us that, if he is truly the atomic ant then he will survive and become a bright star. He seemed to do well at empoli for 2 seasons, but if it means that we need to change our formation to utilize our next team icon is it worth it? worth the risk? He might be the next DP for us, just in a different position. But if he truly is the jewel everyone makes him out to be then why not take a risk? I am not going to argue anymore about his size, yes he is extremely tiny compared to a materazzi. I have no doubts in your case that if he put on a few pounds it would do wonders for him. I just hope that the ones here that think he is too small for Serie A will at least give him a chance to prove himself, but in order for that to happen CR needs to play him.
:tup: , anyone that watched Gio closely last season with empoli will agree with u. The guy was MOM against napoli, roma (where he scored twice home and away), against us in the italian cup and soo many other games. So to think that he's some useless player is just dump. I remember watching him last season and thinking what a huge difference that guy would make to our team if he was just playing for us. Ironically he's with us this season but not getting any playing time thanks to our savior Mr. bean......
 

Bozi

The Bozman
Administrator
Oct 18, 2005
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ok both Osman and Juve Rev are banned for 2 days till they calm down and learn to either communicate without insulting each other or they put each other on their ignore lists
 

dao_nq

Junior Member
Feb 6, 2008
325
You would never know untill you try. CR, play Gio and we'll see. IMO, he should have substituted Alex by Gio. I believe it's Alex that has been taking over Gio's position, not Nedved or Marchioni.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,909
You would never know untill you try. CR, play Gio and we'll see. IMO, he should have substituted Alex by Gio. I believe it's Alex that has been taking over Gio's position, not Nedved or Marchioni.
You're right. It is Del Piero that's been taking Giovinco's place and since Del Piero was our best player by far during our winning streak, it's not a surprise Giovinco didn't see much playing time.
Giovinco is not a winger. He's a forward, a support striker. It should be clear to everyone.
 

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