Claudio Ranieri (34 Viewers)

[sateeh]

No one's talking about moving Giorgio out of the back 4.Im talking about the change of positions.Until the Genoa game,we never knew if Grygera could do a good job as a LB.Personally,i still think it was a fluke performance by him and he wont repeat it again,but i hope im proved wrong.Just like we never knew how Grygera would play as a LB,we cant say say that Stendardo would be poor in the center.The left side is a crucial positiion,not as crucial as the center obviously,but its still important,but so is every other position.So why can never now how good/bad Stendardo will be until he's given a proper chance.This isnt a case of 'why fix it when it isnt broken'.This is a case of 'Its broken,lets fix it'.

You're entitled to your opinion,but i dont agree with the Molinaro argument.He's a poor player,and the crap he gets on these forums is deserved.His defensive game is better than his offensive game,but that isnt saying much.Overall,he's a poor player and we could certainly do much better than him.

Moving Chiellini out of the center back position is too big of a risk imo at least till the end of the season and frankly i would like to see the guy stay there for the next one as well. We need him there because he has a better understanding of all the players next to him and especially Legro and we all saw what happens when Legro and his CB partners have a break down in communication. Another point is that we need our best CB there no matter what as even legro's performances weren't the best after the new year.

Molinaro is just too inconsistent for me defensively but frankly the other options were just scary and we all agree that grygera's performance was just a fluke( By the way he didn't have one decent cross all night, but he compensated in other areas). Right now we do not have the options on that left side and Molinaro played some pretty decent games especially after the new year defensively ofcourse.

Dominic - I cannot agree with you.
1st - What is that with Sissoko being our good choice? He was being needed?
WTF. We had both Almiron and Tiago on the bench. We could not even sell them. We crashed their mental state and doomed them to be mediocre at best, while at the same time we performed less than mediocle on the pitch.
Nooo we cannot allow to get 30% of our points with goals in the last 10 minutes or so. This is in no means anything else than old-foxes experience and PURE LUCK. Not if you tell me that any of these qualities come from RANIERI I would be ROFL.
Ranieri had one good game - tactical wise. That is that. I still believe that both Almiron and Tiago would have performed times better if arranged correctly. And the next huge lie is that we don't have the squad.
WHAT?
Does Roma has a better squad? Does Inter indeed has a better squad? I don't think so. At least not in the distance of 10 points or more.
Mancini is no way a better coach and the Liverpool game prooved that times again. If we had someone with the right mentality here we would have blasted them in the cup and ditched them in the Seria A clash - with the same players we've got.
Yo you all bragging about Molinaro being bad defender - well Zambrotta wasn't the best either, nor was Cannavaro - look what they've become. Look at Materazzi - he was BAAAAAAAD, but when he went to the world cup a word of winsdom made him simply stunning.
The coach is sometimes more important than the players themselves. Look what they did with Greece in the last Euro cup - do greece have a lot of stars? Can you honestly tell me that the difference between Greece and Italy is the same as between us and Inter? Look what the stupid brits did on their qualification - maybe they did not have the squad as well.
How many times have you seen Ranieri actually wins something? I haven't. And that is the case here - he does good what he is good at keeping the squad at mediocre level of performance - as that is exactly what we've seen from Juve. Some Ok games, 1-2 good games, mostly average games, and some really horrible performances. And we are normally at the 3rd position. Who are we fooling, both DD and Ranieri are shit. DD was claiming to be hard to win in Seria B with team full of WC winners? Maybe we should believe that as well.
We do not have a bad squad - we are 2-3 signatures away from having a dream team - yes there will be a difference, but by no means we should have been out of the title race so soon. Fiorentina, Inter, Roma, Milan - all of them had quite a lot more games than us, yet we did not even do one friendly - how is it we get tired and miss players?
By now the squad should have been ensembled at its best, all players should have shined - because he had all the time in the world to do that. He did nothing - except 'thinking' we could be fighting for UEFA cup or that we could have been worse. Da, we could if we were Parma or Valencia. Why he was released from Chelsea? Their history and expectations should be nothing compared to ours.
MR. RANIERI SHOULD PACK THE BAGS THIS YEAR. AND IF HE THINKS THAT INTER IS SOOOO GOOD THAT IT IS NORMAL WE ARE 10 POINTS BEHIND - HE HAVE THE oPTION TO GO THERE AS WELL NOw. IF SB IS CRAZY ENOUGH TO TAKE HIM.

i will try to keep it short.

Inter's squad is one of the best in Europe and has depth beyond believe so don't even compare our squad to theirs'.

You cannot compare our situation with Greece's because they were in a cup competition and its different than a league.

Almiron was just a disappointment to me, he just didn't try hard enough. And although Ranieri takes some of the blame for Tiago, mr mendes himself is not without fault.

 

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[rounder]

Koss , I think you're missing the point . The mere fact that we are ahead of Milan and Fiorentina thus far this season is a fucking miracle . We lost our entire defense when we got relegated , our coach , a striker who is rated best in serie A at the moment , and our 2 defensive midfielders yet we are still sitting at third place right now .

Don't compare our squad to Inter and Roma , they are in a different level . They have squads that have been assembled through years of hard work . Juve's squad has been assembled 7 months ago and we're still bringing in new names . What do you expect ? To win Serie A this season ?

I have to admit that at the start of the season , I honestly hoped that we would make it to the Uefa cup . The fact that we are even competing for a champions league spot is amazing to me . I don't think a single Juve fan likes Ranieri and it's no secret he's a numb skull that has the tactical capabilities of a 2 year old . Personally , I think most of the games that we have won this season have been a result of moments of individual brilliance and have nothing to do with Ranieri's tactics .

He is Juve's coach at the moment and whether we lie it or not he will continue to be so untill the end of the season . I think he's a boring and defensive coach with very limited abilities but blindly bashing him after every single game is just pitiful .

You mentioned Chelsea ? Don't get history and expectations mixed up there , a great history doesn't automatically mean great expectations . Napoli and Genoa are one of the most historic clubs in Serie A , why don't they have their sights high ? Chelsea has spent billions of euros , it's natural they would have more expectations that a team that has just been promoted to serie A .

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

Koss , I think you're missing the point . The mere fact that we are ahead of Milan and Fiorentina thus far this season is a fucking miracle . We lost our entire defense when we got relegated , our coach , a striker who is rated best in serie A at the moment , and our 2 defensive midfielders yet we are still sitting at third place right now .

Don't compare our squad to Inter and Roma , they are in a different level . They have squads that have been assembled through years of hard work . Juve's squad has been assembled 7 months ago and we're still bringing in new names . What do you expect ? To win Serie A this season ?

I have to admit that at the start of the season , I honestly hoped that we would make it to the Uefa cup . The fact that we are even competing for a champions league spot is amazing to me . I don't think a single Juve fan likes Ranieri and it's no secret he's a numb skull that has the tactical capabilities of a 2 year old . Personally , I think most of the games that we have won this season have been a result of moments of individual brilliance and have nothing to do with Ranieri's tactics .

He is Juve's coach at the moment and whether we lie it or not he will continue to be so untill the end of the season . I think he's a boring and defensive coach with very limited abilities but blindly bashing him after every single game is just pitiful .

You mentioned Chelsea ? Don't get history and expectations mixed up there , a great history doesn't automatically mean great expectations . Napoli and Genoa are one of the most historic clubs in Serie A , why don't they have their sights high ? Chelsea has spent billions of euros , it's natural they would have more expectations that a team that has just been promoted to serie A .

Look our squad is 3rd in the chapmionship in salaries. Not somewhere around the UEFA cup spot, as for instance Lazio has a total salaries worth 5 (FIVE) times less than ours. Milan and Fiorentina are deep into the 'others' competitions and to be frank - Fiorentina were and never would believe themselves to be true champions, their best star Mutu is a player worth less than Tiago and also Almiron as it seems. Milan is around my granny's age and it is quite normal that they cannot perform superb on all stages. Fact is that they outperformed the super Inter squad in CL - and that by itself is an evidence that where there is a coach with the right attitude - things happen.
We cannot be compared to Greece? Why is that? Different competitions - I don't think so. They have a group stage, we have a group stage (seria A). They have direct elimination and so do we - Italian Cup. Where exactly did we performed best?
Zlatan is Seria A top striker - don't get me started on that - this gipsy is good enough so he can score against Siena and Co. - not against a packed defence. He is prooven to be only a big mouth - Ibra-Cadabra - shit for brains type of guy. 15 goals - good record - given he had 8 penalties. It would be amazing if he had let's say 7 or 6 goals - WoW what a striker. He almost scored every penalty he got.
Chelsea might spend 96459873465965 billions of dollars for players = still whether they did good or not shall be revealed in no less than 10 years time. You know why? Because the club is building the right mentality. People these days seem to forget that and start looking for $$$ to answer all the questions. Well it is not like that, you want a proof - here it is INTER FuC and ChelsKi. As it is said by Capello titles are not won with victories against the best teams, but against the weak ones. Let's calculate it like that - assume you are right about Roma, Inter and Milan (which you are not!) - if we lost those 6 games and won everything else we would have had 96 points in the championship. We would have been champions in April. Say we gather not 96, but 86 points.- we are champions again - we just have to take 2.66 points every game against weaker teams. I reckon even with 80 points we would still be champions - count Fiorentina as a better team as well.
I never hoped for UEFA spot - it is ludacris - we didn't go to Seria B because we were in a crisis, or because we had a Super Secco running the club and no real players - we were punished to go there. And as it seems all players that we lost, actually lost us - not the other way around - none of them is doing well(except Mutu) - so that leaves us to the point that the team is more important that the players combined.
Inter is not a good team - they have a huge squad and a few true players. Rest are mercenaries that are as likely to fight each other as to fight with the opponents. That is something money can buy as well - like it or not - it is included in the packet of players like Vieira and Zlatan The Ugly. Or Figo the Lie as he is famous in Spain - famous for a reason I would add.
The only problem we've got is the Tinkerman. Well not the only really but the main one - secco is shit too, but at least he made the club spend on players. WE spended more than AC Milan as a matter of fact. Now if we just had combined this players we would have been at least 12 points ahead - and title here we are. We might have been to SERIA B, but with all that is taking action at the Italian football atm - Seria A is not what it was. Ok, I admit - it is not Ranieri fault that the referees pay homage to Moratti - the Sabertooth frog, but if we score more they would have no saying in this.
I can give you countless examples of how he failed miserably - but with the turning of the tide and Mancini out form Inter - lets hope that the current whirlwind would drag non other than Lippi here.
That is our only chance - two coaches are good enough - Lippi and Crapello. And the later one is already taken, but he is one of those that see things in the future. Mourinho is good but does not correspond to the message we as a team are trying to express.

 

[vimo]

Wow... this thread here really amazes me. The opinions here really clash together.
My only concern is that people do not have the necessary respect towards people. The lack of knowledge, or let's just say, they're failure to see things the way they are really strike me here.
What people don't understand is that football is not like that fifa-football-manager, where you have a budget of 80mio€ and you pick yourself cristiano ronaldo, aguero and diego, and there you go, you win every game with 7-0. People here bash Secco for not signing the likes of diego, vdv, ivanovic, aso... has anyone of you ever thought about the fact that maybe the players don't want to come to us? Just imagine the image we have; we got relegated and accused of fraud and what-not. TBH, if i were no juventus-fan, i would NOT want to play here.
But people here forget that; we are used to moggi, who just snipped his fingers, and got everything he wanted, no matter what methods he used to get it.
I keep repeating myself but i will go on; moggi-time is over; and tbh, i can't see why people are wanting him back. He was the reason why we have all this BS going on. But let's not push our discussion to the calciopoli-subject...

I want lippi, i never denied that, because i consider lippi to be one of the best coaches of this planet. BUT, there's a difference in saying "let's get lippi for after this season, so that we can plan in long-term to be successful in +/- 2 years time" and "sack ranieri, get mourinho, and win serie-a". People just don't think about what they are saying, or do you really believe that once we sign mourinho, lippi, or another coach, that molinaro will suddenly turn into the next wonder of the world and score one hattrick after the other? NO! To be honest, i think with the current line-up/injury-situation; ranieri has done a good job. We are third! we can't repeat that often enough. And to the guy who said it was not 'comfortable'; well of course it's not. It's a competition, everyone wants to win of course, if you want to stay comfortable then we should go back to serie-b, there we can have a 'comfortable' season. That's the most ridiculous thing i've read here (and i've read A LOT of dumb things here). If we are third at the end i don't care if milan/viola are 1 point behind us or 30. of course it's not 30 points, but if someone before the season had said we would be 5 points ahead of milan this season at this point, i would have kissed him.

As for the squad-depth question; you cannot deny that we have some very weak positions especially in the defence. And on paper, i'd say our squad is inferior to milan and inter. we don't have any depth in our squad, if someone is injured or suspended, we are screwed. It's just like that. Then you have to consider that we lost half of our starting XI in calciopoli, and replaced them by the likes of molinaro etc. Just think about it for a moment; before calciopoli, we played against inter and it always was a tough game, we even lost some matches. Now just remember those squads. Now take away all those who went away (i don't have to tell you the names, do i?) and in more, you can add the reinforcments inter has brought in the meantime (ibra, viera, ...) and NOW you tell me we are not inferior to them (on paper!!!) ?
As for fiorentina, i think they're strenght is in their team. Same goes for roma, you just see that they're team is built slowly and well-thought, with the possibilities they had.

the 3rd place we have is good! you cannot deny it! Just think about it for a minute! and there will come hard times in our future, once DP and neddy are gone.
I hope we get lippi as a long-time-solution, but please stop bashing ranieri, because he does the best he can.

You are all (me including) praising lippi that much, but have you ever thought about the fact that he did not want us as 'neopromessi' after DD? He just let us go, and that's why we picked CR. CR took the job, which clearly was not easy. Only for that, that guy deserves some fucking respect by us all.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Dominic - I cannot agree with you.
1st - What is that with Sissoko being our good choice? He was being needed?
WTF. We had both Almiron and Tiago on the bench. We could not even sell them. We crashed their mental state and doomed them to be mediocre at best, while at the same time we performed less than mediocle on the pitch.
Nooo we cannot allow to get 30% of our points with goals in the last 10 minutes or so. This is in no means anything else than old-foxes experience and PURE LUCK. Not if you tell me that any of these qualities come from RANIERI I would be ROFL.
Ranieri had one good game - tactical wise. That is that. I still believe that both Almiron and Tiago would have performed times better if arranged correctly. And the next huge lie is that we don't have the squad.
WHAT?
Does Roma has a better squad? Does Inter indeed has a better squad? I don't think so. At least not in the distance of 10 points or more.
Mancini is no way a better coach and the Liverpool game prooved that times again. If we had someone with the right mentality here we would have blasted them in the cup and ditched them in the Seria A clash - with the same players we've got.
Yo you all bragging about Molinaro being bad defender - well Zambrotta wasn't the best either, nor was Cannavaro - look what they've become. Look at Materazzi - he was BAAAAAAAD, but when he went to the world cup a word of winsdom made him simply stunning.
The coach is sometimes more important than the players themselves. Look what they did with Greece in the last Euro cup - do greece have a lot of stars? Can you honestly tell me that the difference between Greece and Italy is the same as between us and Inter? Look what the stupid brits did on their qualification - maybe they did not have the squad as well.
How many times have you seen Ranieri actually wins something? I haven't. And that is the case here - he does good what he is good at keeping the squad at mediocre level of performance - as that is exactly what we've seen from Juve. Some Ok games, 1-2 good games, mostly average games, and some really horrible performances. And we are normally at the 3rd position. Who are we fooling, both DD and Ranieri are shit. DD was claiming to be hard to win in Seria B with team full of WC winners? Maybe we should believe that as well.
We do not have a bad squad - we are 2-3 signatures away from having a dream team - yes there will be a difference, but by no means we should have been out of the title race so soon. Fiorentina, Inter, Roma, Milan - all of them had quite a lot more games than us, yet we did not even do one friendly - how is it we get tired and miss players?
By now the squad should have been ensembled at its best, all players should have shined - because he had all the time in the world to do that. He did nothing - except 'thinking' we could be fighting for UEFA cup or that we could have been worse. Da, we could if we were Parma or Valencia. Why he was released from Chelsea? Their history and expectations should be nothing compared to ours.
MR. RANIERI SHOULD PACK THE BAGS THIS YEAR. AND IF HE THINKS THAT INTER IS SOOOO GOOD THAT IT IS NORMAL WE ARE 10 POINTS BEHIND - HE HAVE THE oPTION TO GO THERE AS WELL NOw. IF SB IS CRAZY ENOUGH TO TAKE HIM.

I dont know how you're brining Greece into this.There's a diffrence between playing 38 league games and 3 league games.Plus Inter and Roma do have better squads than us.Especially Inter.On paper,even Milan have a much better squad than us.The only thing is that they've woefully underperformed.A normal season by Milan in the current time would see Milan,Inter and Roma in the top 3,and Fiorentian and Juventus battling it out for the 4th spot.

Looking at your initial expectations, aren't we doing great now?
If the same results came only in a different order, as in more equally spread out thrue the season (not having such a god start and now not having such a bad streak), would you be more satisfied?

Very good point.

Our graph has fallen through the season.Initially i was expecting a UEFA cup spot,but with the good start we made,and the promises by Ranieri,i expected more.And yes,this could be why the anti-Ranieri sentiment is so strong in me and so many other people these days.

 

[vimo]

Let me say this; You are all complaining that ranieri "promised" more. I don't remember him talking about the scudetto. Our aim clearly was a CL-Spot. All the fuzz about the scudetto was created by the media. It's pretty easy to figure out. When we were 2nd, and you're being asked if there was a possibility to get the first place, of course, as juve, you cannot say "no, i want to finish 2nd". the words were like "Put in his mouth". I don't care if we are not competing for 1st place this year. it was not our target since the beginning and i was ok with that!

 

[HelterSkelter]

Ranieri was tactless when it came to the media.I dont know how you can defend him here.The media will ask you tricky questions,it happens with all managers.Ranieri is no different.The media gave him a bait,and he fell for it.

 

[The Pado]

Thankfully we have Ranieri as our coach, and not a piece of crap like Mancini. Sometimes Tink gets the tactics wrong, sometimes he gets the formation wrong, but our Tink knows how to cope with life at a big club. Ranieri is The Man!

 

[Franky4Fingers]

Very good point.

Our graph has fallen through the season.Initially i was expecting a UEFA cup spot,but with the good start we made,and the promises by Ranieri,i expected more.And yes,this could be why the anti-Ranieri sentiment is so strong in me and so many other people these days.

It was something that was bugging for a while now...

 

[Dostoevsky]

Wow... this thread here really amazes me. The opinions here really clash together.
My only concern is that people do not have the necessary respect towards people. The lack of knowledge, or let's just say, they're failure to see things the way they are really strike me here.
What people don't understand is that football is not like that fifa-football-manager, where you have a budget of 80mio€ and you pick yourself cristiano ronaldo, aguero and diego, and there you go, you win every game with 7-0. People here bash Secco for not signing the likes of diego, vdv, ivanovic, aso... has anyone of you ever thought about the fact that maybe the players don't want to come to us? Just imagine the image we have; we got relegated and accused of fraud and what-not. TBH, if i were no juventus-fan, i would NOT want to play here.
But people here forget that; we are used to moggi, who just snipped his fingers, and got everything he wanted, no matter what methods he used to get it.
I keep repeating myself but i will go on; moggi-time is over; and tbh, i can't see why people are wanting him back. He was the reason why we have all this BS going on. But let's not push our discussion to the calciopoli-subject...

I want lippi, i never denied that, because i consider lippi to be one of the best coaches of this planet. BUT, there's a difference in saying "let's get lippi for after this season, so that we can plan in long-term to be successful in +/- 2 years time" and "sack ranieri, get mourinho, and win serie-a". People just don't think about what they are saying, or do you really believe that once we sign mourinho, lippi, or another coach, that molinaro will suddenly turn into the next wonder of the world and score one hattrick after the other? NO! To be honest, i think with the current line-up/injury-situation; ranieri has done a good job. We are third! we can't repeat that often enough. And to the guy who said it was not 'comfortable'; well of course it's not. It's a competition, everyone wants to win of course, if you want to stay comfortable then we should go back to serie-b, there we can have a 'comfortable' season. That's the most ridiculous thing i've read here (and i've read A LOT of dumb things here). If we are third at the end i don't care if milan/viola are 1 point behind us or 30. of course it's not 30 points, but if someone before the season had said we would be 5 points ahead of milan this season at this point, i would have kissed him.

As for the squad-depth question; you cannot deny that we have some very weak positions especially in the defence. And on paper, i'd say our squad is inferior to milan and inter. we don't have any depth in our squad, if someone is injured or suspended, we are screwed. It's just like that. Then you have to consider that we lost half of our starting XI in calciopoli, and replaced them by the likes of molinaro etc. Just think about it for a moment; before calciopoli, we played against inter and it always was a tough game, we even lost some matches. Now just remember those squads. Now take away all those who went away (i don't have to tell you the names, do i?) and in more, you can add the reinforcments inter has brought in the meantime (ibra, viera, ...) and NOW you tell me we are not inferior to them (on paper!!!) ?
As for fiorentina, i think they're strenght is in their team. Same goes for roma, you just see that they're team is built slowly and well-thought, with the possibilities they had.

the 3rd place we have is good! you cannot deny it! Just think about it for a minute! and there will come hard times in our future, once DP and neddy are gone.
I hope we get lippi as a long-time-solution, but please stop bashing ranieri, because he does the best he can.

You are all (me including) praising lippi that much, but have you ever thought about the fact that he did not want us as 'neopromessi' after DD? He just let us go, and that's why we picked CR. CR took the job, which clearly was not easy. Only for that, that guy deserves some fucking respect by us all.

Secco must be bashed since it is his fault for not buying some players.We were not just intrested in Diego and van der Vaar btw.
There were many other also but I`ll just mention Hamsik and Ivanovic.

There was a time back then when we could`ve signed Ivanovic for 8mln euros when no one actually wanted him except Juve but we waited too long and we lost him.Also,we spent one fucking year in Serie B and we missed to buy some great player like Hamsik who played in Brescia.In front of his nose.

As for Ranieri,he stayed and helped us somehow to finish top 4 and all that but there`s no good reason to keep him next year.

3rd in league sounds not bad but with Ranieri we have nothing.I think he just did two positive things and that`s putting Chiellini as CB and taking the charge of us when no one really wanted to.

We were struggling with many teams this year but fact is that Serie A is crap this year.I am not saying we`re 3rd because of that but they are going to eat us next year in CL if Ranieri stays.Don`t start with all "we don`t have that strong team" crap because it`s not just that.We don`t have anything including freakin` tactics and that is Ranieri`s fault.

Based on tactical level,try to compare let`s say Mourinho with him.They just can`t compare.

 

[Salvo]

ranieri is not the coach we need for the CL and winning serie a its a fact. but also in italy buying players is mainly up to the manager, so secco is also some 1 that needs to go. or else were going no where in the near future

 

[RAMI-N]

ranieri is not the coach we need for the CL and winning serie a its a fact. but also in italy buying players is mainly up to the manager, so secco is also some 1 that needs to go. or else were going no where in the near future

 

[.zero]

Let me say this; You are all complaining that ranieri "promised" more. I don't remember him talking about the scudetto. Our aim clearly was a CL-Spot. All the fuzz about the scudetto was created by the media. It's pretty easy to figure out. When we were 2nd, and you're being asked if there was a possibility to get the first place, of course, as juve, you cannot say "no, i want to finish 2nd". the words were like "Put in his mouth". I don't care if we are not competing for 1st place this year. it was not our target since the beginning and i was ok with that!

we all knew that we would not win the scudetto during this years campaign unless something odd happened to inter/roma/fiorentina.

with that said we all focused on getting back into the CL. a realistic goal but i dont think anyone would have predicted us losing winnable matches. yes, i do agree that we have been fucked by the refs on many occasions this season but that is still no excuse.

my main point is that if we struggle/lose matches in a weak serie A, while keeping in mind that all the italian teams in the CL this year are proverbially eliminated, then how would our evidently weak side fair in the CL next year? lets face it, milan, inter and roma have better squads (not individual players) us. their coaching and front offices are obviously better than ours also. so ranieri has done nothing impressive nor above expectations up 'til this point in the season.

secco and ranieri are both to blame for any complaints.

Ranieri was tactless when it came to the media.I dont know how you can defend him here.The media will ask you tricky questions,it happens with all managers.Ranieri is no different.The media gave him a bait,and he fell for it.

that is another flaw that ranieri possesses. you have to be media-friendly especially when you are the HNIC of one of the worlds most popular sports franchises.

Secco must be bashed since it is his fault for not buying some players.We were not just intrested in Diego and van der Vaar btw.
There were many other also but I`ll just mention Hamsik and Ivanovic.

There was a time back then when we could`ve signed Ivanovic for 8mln euros when no one actually wanted him except Juve but we waited too long and we lost him.Also,we spent one fucking year in Serie B and we missed to buy some great player like Hamsik who played in Brescia.In front of his nose.

As for Ranieri,he stayed and helped us somehow to finish top 4 and all that but there`s no good reason to keep him next year.

3rd in league sounds not bad but with Ranieri we have nothing.I think he just did two positive things and that`s putting Chiellini as CB and taking the charge of us when no one really wanted to.

We were struggling with many teams this year but fact is that Serie A is crap this year.I am not saying we`re 3rd because of that but they are going to eat us next year in CL if Ranieri stays.Don`t start with all "we don`t have that strong team" crap because it`s not just that.We don`t have anything including freakin` tactics and that is Ranieri`s fault.

Based on tactical level,try to compare let`s say Mourinho with him.They just can`t compare.

ranieri is not the coach we need for the CL and winning serie a its a fact. but also in italy buying players is mainly up to the manager, so secco is also some 1 that needs to go. or else were going no where in the near future

simple and plain

well put

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Whoever Frank is, I love him.

 

[AngelaL]

This could be good news.

Secco Set To Leave Juve - Report.

Juventus sporting director Alessio Secco is set to leave the club, and take up a similar role at Genoa, according to Leggo.

Secco replaced Luciano Moggi as the man in charge of transfer operations at Juventus following the Calciopoli crisis, however he has become a hugely unpopular figure among Bianconeri supporters following a long-line of disastrous purchases.

Secco has mostly come under-fire for his signings of Jean-Alain Boumsong, Sergio Almiron and Tiago Mendes, who joined the club for a total fee of around €27m.

He has also been criticized for attempting to offload Giorgio Chiellini last summer to Manchester City, while his signing of Liverpool bench-warmer Momo Sissoko for €13m also raised eye-brows.

According to Leggo, Secco’s planned signings for this summer’s transfer market did not go down well with director general Jean-Claude Blanc.

Secco had identified Gilberto Silva, Frank Lampard, Johan Elmander, Lubos Kalouda and Martin Fenin as his main targets, players Blanc did not warm to.

As a result Secco could now be forced out of the club to take up a position at Genoa, where he has a good relationship with current coach Gian Piero Gasperini.

As a replacement for Secco, Juventus are said to be looking at Giovanni Sartori, who was responsible for building the 'miracle Chievo’ team who stunned Serie A earlier in the decade.

Source: - Gianni Wilson, Goal.com

 

[Mark]

Nedved on Ranieri being champions league coach material

"You should ask this to our management"

I think we'll see a lot of Palladino during the remainder of the season.

 

[rounder]

Look our squad is 3rd in the chapmionship in salaries. Not somewhere around the UEFA cup spot, as for instance Lazio has a total salaries worth 5 (FIVE) times less than ours. Milan and Fiorentina are deep into the 'others' competitions and to be frank - Fiorentina were and never would believe themselves to be true champions, their best star Mutu is a player worth less than Tiago and also Almiron as it seems. Milan is around my granny's age and it is quite normal that they cannot perform superb on all stages. Fact is that they outperformed the super Inter squad in CL - and that by itself is an evidence that where there is a coach with the right attitude - things happen.
We cannot be compared to Greece? Why is that? Different competitions - I don't think so. They have a group stage, we have a group stage (seria A). They have direct elimination and so do we - Italian Cup. Where exactly did we performed best?
Zlatan is Seria A top striker - don't get me started on that - this gipsy is good enough so he can score against Siena and Co. - not against a packed defence. He is prooven to be only a big mouth - Ibra-Cadabra - shit for brains type of guy. 15 goals - good record - given he had 8 penalties. It would be amazing if he had let's say 7 or 6 goals - WoW what a striker. He almost scored every penalty he got.
Chelsea might spend 96459873465965 billions of dollars for players = still whether they did good or not shall be revealed in no less than 10 years time. You know why? Because the club is building the right mentality. People these days seem to forget that and start looking for $$$ to answer all the questions. Well it is not like that, you want a proof - here it is INTER FuC and ChelsKi. As it is said by Capello titles are not won with victories against the best teams, but against the weak ones. Let's calculate it like that - assume you are right about Roma, Inter and Milan (which you are not!) - if we lost those 6 games and won everything else we would have had 96 points in the championship. We would have been champions in April. Say we gather not 96, but 86 points.- we are champions again - we just have to take 2.66 points every game against weaker teams. I reckon even with 80 points we would still be champions - count Fiorentina as a better team as well.
I never hoped for UEFA spot - it is ludacris - we didn't go to Seria B because we were in a crisis, or because we had a Super Secco running the club and no real players - we were punished to go there. And as it seems all players that we lost, actually lost us - not the other way around - none of them is doing well(except Mutu) - so that leaves us to the point that the team is more important that the players combined.
Inter is not a good team - they have a huge squad and a few true players. Rest are mercenaries that are as likely to fight each other as to fight with the opponents. That is something money can buy as well - like it or not - it is included in the packet of players like Vieira and Zlatan The Ugly. Or Figo the Lie as he is famous in Spain - famous for a reason I would add.
The only problem we've got is the Tinkerman. Well not the only really but the main one - secco is shit too, but at least he made the club spend on players. WE spended more than AC Milan as a matter of fact. Now if we just had combined this players we would have been at least 12 points ahead - and title here we are. We might have been to SERIA B, but with all that is taking action at the Italian football atm - Seria A is not what it was. Ok, I admit - it is not Ranieri fault that the referees pay homage to Moratti - the Sabertooth frog, but if we score more they would have no saying in this.
I can give you countless examples of how he failed miserably - but with the turning of the tide and Mancini out form Inter - lets hope that the current whirlwind would drag non other than Lippi her
That is our only chance - two coaches are good enough - Lippi and Crapello. And the later one is already taken, but he is one of those that see things in the future. Mourinho is good but does not correspond to the message we as a team are trying to express.

First off you make Milan's champions league success seem like miracle . they had Kaka , player of the year . Pirlo , Gatusso , and Seedorf who were all in the form of their lives as well as a striker who wouldn't stop scoring up front . A coach with the right mentality could do great things but if that were the case then Ethiopia could win the world cup with the right coach . It's not that simple . To win a major championship , you need a well organised team with discipline and intense preparation and yes .. you need the right players for it . Juve have a more than decent starting 11 , that's not the problem , the problem is in our subs . We have no squad depth and that's why we aren't first in the league and Inter is .

Take inter's attack for example , they have three world class finishers ; Suazo , Cruz , and Crespo . We have one . Milan have .. well .. none . Roma have Totti who isn't a real striker to begin with . The point is Inter have unbelievable squad depth and IMO afterall that's what decides who wins the league .

You mentioned salaries .. That very simply means nothing . We have players like Alex and Gigi who earn extremely high salaries and that's why we are in the top three when it comes to that . Fiorentina don't have a legend that has been playing for them for 15 years or a goalkeeper that is the most expensive in the world . Mutu just joined the team 2 seasons ago ; you expect him to earn 10 mill a year ?
You may have even proved my point just there ; yes compare Mutu to Tiago , Tiago is more expensive but who is more important . Mutu has been phenomenal while Tiago has been warming the bench . Does a high salary really matter then ?

If you aren't convinced Inter , Roma , and Milan have better overall squads than us then I'm wasting my time even arguing here . We have no left back . No creative midfielder , no replacement for Camo , or even Nedved . SO we have no replacements for either wing . We have one decent Right back and that's Zebina who we used to rate as rubbish not a long time ago and you think we have a better team than Inter , Roma and Milan .

Greece ? You must be joking , that was the fluke of the century . Put Greece in a league with 20 teams with 40 MATCHES , most of which , are superior to them and then show me how Greece will win the championship .

To win every single game of the season excluding the ones against the stronger teams takes us back to my first point , squad depth . The league us a marathon and to drop only 10 points against weakers sides must mean you have the team with the greatest squad depth . For us that is not the case.

Ibra is a player that can finish off game by himself , if not by scoring then by somehow creating the goal . I don't like him as a player as I think he is the most selfish player to ever walk the earth but the fact is he gets the job done .
You mock him because he scores against Siena but really , isn't that the point winning against the smaller teams as you said .

Finally , like I said before I have no faith in Ranieri's tactics but he'll do for this season . As for Lippi , If I were him I wouldn't coach again . HE won the world cup , the best any coach could hope for , why would he come back and try to win something that is of far kess importance ? However , if he does decide to come he will be more than welcome .

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

This could be good news.



Source: - Gianni Wilson, Goal.com

Is he going out on loan?

 

[Pingo]

Is he going out on loan?

Hope not...
Just give me an pro Juve manager, not this kind of "Inter supporting managment"...

Forget Lampard, Amauri, Elmader, Raketič, Alex, Lugano...We don't neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed those players...The best "names" that were associated whit us were: Diego, VdV, Hamšik, Aguero and now Piatti (who is not so expensive-4,5m€)...Get our primavera players back Seba, De Ceglie and Marchisio...Buy on gooooood LB (Vargas) and Defender (Zapata)...And sell all others, Zlayeta+Blasi+€=Hamšik, Nocerino+Molinaro+€=Zapata, Olivera, Andrade, Grygera, Tiago, Almiron, Marchionni... U can cover (money) for Zapata and Vargas and u still have money left for other transfers...

Buffon

Zebina - Zapata - Chiellini - De Ceglie/Vargas

Camo - Zanetti - Hamšik

Giovinco

Trezegol - Del Piero​

Second squad:​

Mirante

Sali - Melberg - Legro - De Ceglie/Vargas

Sissoko - Marchisio

Camo-----------------Nedved

Iaquinta - Palla​

You just have to "break" teh squad "IN", that the players know each other...And u got solid squad for CL and fight for the Scudetto...
Don't u think..

 

[only-juve]

First off you make Milan's champions league success seem like miracle . they had Kaka , player of the year . Pirlo , Gatusso , and Seedorf who were all in the form of their lives as well as a striker who wouldn't stop scoring up front . A coach with the right mentality could do great things but if that were the case then Ethiopia could win the world cup with the right coach . It's not that simple . To win a major championship , you need a well organised team with discipline and intense preparation and yes .. you need the right players for it . Juve have a more than decent starting 11 , that's not the problem , the problem is in our subs . We have no squad depth and that's why we aren't first in the league and Inter is .

Take inter's attack for example , they have three world class finishers ; Suazo , Cruz , and Crespo . We have one . Milan have .. well .. none . Roma have Totti who isn't a real striker to begin with . The point is Inter have unbelievable squad depth and IMO afterall that's what decides who wins the league .

You mentioned salaries .. That very simply means nothing . We have players like Alex and Gigi who earn extremely high salaries and that's why we are in the top three when it comes to that . Fiorentina don't have a legend that has been playing for them for 15 years or a goalkeeper that is the most expensive in the world . Mutu just joined the team 2 seasons ago ; you expect him to earn 10 mill a year ?
You may have even proved my point just there ; yes compare Mutu to Tiago , Tiago is more expensive but who is more important . Mutu has been phenomenal while Tiago has been warming the bench . Does a high salary really matter then ?

If you aren't convinced Inter , Roma , and Milan have better overall squads than us then I'm wasting my time even arguing here . We have no left back . No creative midfielder , no replacement for Camo , or even Nedved . SO we have no replacements for either wing . We have one decent Right back and that's Zebina who we used to rate as rubbish not a long time ago and you think we have a better team than Inter , Roma and Milan .

Greece ? You must be joking , that was the fluke of the century . Put Greece in a league with 20 teams with 40 MATCHES , most of which , are superior to them and then show me how Greece will win the championship .

To win every single game of the season excluding the ones against the stronger teams takes us back to my first point , squad depth . The league us a marathon and to drop only 10 points against weakers sides must mean you have the team with the greatest squad depth . For us that is not the case.

Ibra is a player that can finish off game by himself , if not by scoring then by somehow creating the goal . I don't like him as a player as I think he is the most selfish player to ever walk the earth but the fact is he gets the job done .
You mock him because he scores against Siena but really , isn't that the point winning against the smaller teams as you said .

Finally , like I said before I have no faith in Ranieri's tactics but he'll do for this season . As for Lippi , If I were him I wouldn't coach again . HE won the world cup , the best any coach could hope for , why would he come back and try to win something that is of far kess importance ? However , if he does decide to come he will be more than welcome .

Great post