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I didn't doubt the defensive ability of any of the previously mentioned players in my previous post, I was talking from the tactical point of view. Simply, if our midfield will be consisting of three players, even if all of them are good defensively, this is a gambling. First of all, because in most cases our opponents will have more player/players in their midfield lines, that's why I said a player from the front three should share in defending; maybe Iaquinta. I said it in my previous post and you just said it too.
Let's suppose that Ranieri will field Zanetti, Almiron and Tiago as our midfield line. I agree that Almiron and Tiago capable of closing the flanks with the assistance from the fullbacks, but still there would be only one player exposed in our centre midfield; Zanetti. Hence, I do prefer another player to partner Zanetti in the centre.
To sum things up, I didn't say that 4-3-3 wouldn't work, I said in most cases. Besides, I haven't mentioned Italy whatsoever. In my opinion, it depends on the players who perform it. A midfield line consisting of Zanetti, Almiron and Tiago is tactically sound, but its effectiveness will depend greatly on the defensive aid it will receive from the attack line and the offensive aid it will receive from the fullbacks.
Let's suppose that Ranieri will field Zanetti, Almiron and Tiago as our midfield line. I agree that Almiron and Tiago capable of closing the flanks with the assistance from the fullbacks, but still there would be only one player exposed in our centre midfield; Zanetti. Hence, I do prefer another player to partner Zanetti in the centre.
To sum things up, I didn't say that 4-3-3 wouldn't work, I said in most cases. Besides, I haven't mentioned Italy whatsoever. In my opinion, it depends on the players who perform it. A midfield line consisting of Zanetti, Almiron and Tiago is tactically sound, but its effectiveness will depend greatly on the defensive aid it will receive from the attack line and the offensive aid it will receive from the fullbacks.
But both Tiago and Almiron will not be covering the flanks at the same time. It's all about shifting. If the ball is on the right flank, Tiago will have to deal with them while Zanetti supports him centrally and Almiron moves more centrally as well. Vice versa when the ball is on the left flank. If one of the fullbacks gets pulled out of position dealing with an opposition winger, Zanetti will be the player that fills the void and deals with any other opposition midfielder that supports the attacker with the ball. It's all about balance.
The great thing about the 4-3-3 is that you maximize productivity offensively while also being secure defensively, especially through the middle. It allows for the players up top the ability to have free roam while on the attack, which really upsets defenses when you have skillful players such as Tiago and Juninho waiting in support to fire off shots. Throw in the holding midfielder and you always are covered against the counter, unlike the straight 4-4-2 where the two center midfielders have the potential of getting carried away going forward. If we play Del Piero as the left forward he'll be able to come back and help out defensively as well next to Almiron.
It's true that the 4-3-3 is one of those formations you can only deploy when you have the right personnel. But when you do have the right personnel to field it, the football produced from it is some of the best I've seen. The typical Dutch 4-3-3 is my favorite and it has won many European Cups since it was first fielded.
Lyon's 4-3-3 is what I'd absolutely love to see with Juventus... tried and true with effectiveness going forward and solidity at the back. They had both the most goals in the league and also the fewest conceded this past season, playing exciting yet effective football that I was never bored with. Back in the 90's several clubs in Italy deployed the 4-3-3, including Arrigo Sacchi and Crapello (when he knew what he was doing). The football in Ligue 1 is a close cousin to that in Italy and Lyon has won 6 straight titles using the said formation over the years, so it's a winner with the right players.
The great thing about the 4-3-3 is that you maximize productivity offensively while also being secure defensively, especially through the middle. It allows for the players up top the ability to have free roam while on the attack, which really upsets defenses when you have skillful players such as Tiago and Juninho waiting in support to fire off shots. Throw in the holding midfielder and you always are covered against the counter, unlike the straight 4-4-2 where the two center midfielders have the potential of getting carried away going forward. If we play Del Piero as the left forward he'll be able to come back and help out defensively as well next to Almiron.
It's true that the 4-3-3 is one of those formations you can only deploy when you have the right personnel. But when you do have the right personnel to field it, the football produced from it is some of the best I've seen. The typical Dutch 4-3-3 is my favorite and it has won many European Cups since it was first fielded.
Lyon's 4-3-3 is what I'd absolutely love to see with Juventus... tried and true with effectiveness going forward and solidity at the back. They had both the most goals in the league and also the fewest conceded this past season, playing exciting yet effective football that I was never bored with. Back in the 90's several clubs in Italy deployed the 4-3-3, including Arrigo Sacchi and Crapello (when he knew what he was doing). The football in Ligue 1 is a close cousin to that in Italy and Lyon has won 6 straight titles using the said formation over the years, so it's a winner with the right players.
This is what I'm talking about; how our players are going to react to 4-3-3 and share defensively in it. It sounds more secure for example when our midfield trident have the flexibility to roam in the midfield with both our wing forwards helping them out defensively. This would alleviate the strain which the midfield players will face plus make us more solid defensively. The unreliable point is the two wing forwards, I don't mean generally in the formation itself but the available players in our roster who will possibly take that role; Del Piero and Iaquinta. I'm certainly not expecting both of them to aid the midfield in defending, just one of them will be enough according to the match situation. But I disagree with you about Del Piero, I don't think he'll be able to do his best, at least when it comes to his defensive roles, also Iaquinta doesn't share effectively in defending from what I watched. That's why I prefer to place Salihamdizic instead of Iaquinta. Anyways, it's all about predictions, we'll see what will happen in the summer camp.
The best example for 4-3-3 that appeal to my liking is the one used by Murinho's Chelsea in the past few seasons, even before Essien joined them. They had a hell of a midfield that didn't require essential defending efforts from the attack line. Although, they lacked creative skills in their three midfielders, but they compensated for that by their pace, solidity, hardworking and harmony.
The best example for 4-3-3 that appeal to my liking is the one used by Murinho's Chelsea in the past few seasons, even before Essien joined them. They had a hell of a midfield that didn't require essential defending efforts from the attack line. Although, they lacked creative skills in their three midfielders, but they compensated for that by their pace, solidity, hardworking and harmony.
Well Roma actually plays a 4-5-1 which turns into a 4-3-3 when they want to sustain pressure. The beautiful thing about Spalletti's side is that it can take several different looks throughout the game... and if I recall correctly during that Lyon match they were playing a 4-3-3 with Perrotta dropping back to support De Rossi and Pizarro from his advanced position. That's how Roma managed to thwart Lyon's splendid midfield... De Rossi and Perrotta were all over Juninho and they effectively shut down Lyon's engine room.
The 4-3-3, depending on who we have up top, can become a 4-2-3-1 and also a 4-4-1-1 with little tinkering at all. The 4-3-3 that I love is with attacking wingers surrounding the central striker, but it doesn't seem like Ranieri has that in mind. Instead he seems to prefer Iaquinta - Trezeguet - Del Piero which is a gamble indeed, however I still believe we have what it takes to field such a system with Tiago - Zanetti - Almiron in midfield as long as Del Piero comes back to help Sergio a little on the left.
Hah, thought you could give me a little touche with that Roma failure.
But really Spalletti's side was amazing that match. Lyon became wreckless and Mancini's goal was simply stunning.
The 4-3-3, depending on who we have up top, can become a 4-2-3-1 and also a 4-4-1-1 with little tinkering at all. The 4-3-3 that I love is with attacking wingers surrounding the central striker, but it doesn't seem like Ranieri has that in mind. Instead he seems to prefer Iaquinta - Trezeguet - Del Piero which is a gamble indeed, however I still believe we have what it takes to field such a system with Tiago - Zanetti - Almiron in midfield as long as Del Piero comes back to help Sergio a little on the left.
Hah, thought you could give me a little touche with that Roma failure.
But really Spalletti's side was amazing that match. Lyon became wreckless and Mancini's goal was simply stunning.i think his 4-3-3 will look something like this
---------------------------buffon---------------------
--grygera---militio/canna/??--cheillni---molinaro--
--------------------------zanetti-----------------------
-----------------tiago---------------almiron-----------
---Iaquinta/cammo------Trez---------DP/ neddy----
---------------------------buffon---------------------
--grygera---militio/canna/??--cheillni---molinaro--
--------------------------zanetti-----------------------
-----------------tiago---------------almiron-----------
---Iaquinta/cammo------Trez---------DP/ neddy----
I was totally against the Iaquinta signing to begin with and don't want him on the right side of a trident. The guy doesn't really excel there and we'll be wasting a perfectly good position on somebody that doesn't really play there. This is why I sort of hope we keep Camoranesi as I'd love to see him deployed on the right side of the main striker. He would be much more useful than Iaquinta and I think he would own if he was given more of a free role up top than strictly a right-wing position.
But I still think with the core of midfielders we have, especially the two players we've purchased with experiance in a three man midfield, that the said formation will work out. We'll see.
But I still think with the core of midfielders we have, especially the two players we've purchased with experiance in a three man midfield, that the said formation will work out. We'll see.
See now I was thinking about having Pavel play next to David as well. But then again I don't want to drop our captain from the team.
Perhaps Alex could start up top along with those two and periodically switch flanks with Nedved. Afterall trident attacks aren't always restricted in terms of "you play this flank and you play the other." There's always room for interchanges and that's something I love about the trident attack.
I say play Del Piero, Trezeguet and Nedved in free roles up top and lets see what happens.
Perhaps Alex could start up top along with those two and periodically switch flanks with Nedved. Afterall trident attacks aren't always restricted in terms of "you play this flank and you play the other." There's always room for interchanges and that's something I love about the trident attack.
I say play Del Piero, Trezeguet and Nedved in free roles up top and lets see what happens.
i agree. I dont want to drop del either but i'm just taking a stab at what he'll do. I don't think he'll play 3 strikers. I just think he'll move either cammo or neddy up to create more.
I'd let del and neddy run it however they want too. More room for neddy will allow more room for others. Plus we just play neddy on the left because of his ability to cut in from the wing and let rockets go with his right.
Exactly. Let Ale and Nedved do whatever they want up top. Pavel will of course drop back to help the midfield and hover around the box, doing what he does best, while Alex will float to the left flank. These players are experianced enough to just run the attack anyway they'd like to. That's how I would deploy them at least.
I would too. Thus you can't mark del or neddy with just one man. A good example would be manure not letting ronaldo run free. He sticks to the right side and it makes it easier for teams to stop him. His skill is ridiculous, so i would give him more room to roam. If neddy and del are all over the place you can take advantage of the opponents weaknesses.