Claudio Ranieri (41 Viewers)

[Cuti]

that is true, but would you really put unproven players such as Iago or Rossi and when we have 65% of possession

Yes i would have, if you are going to put in "unproven" players, you do it when your dominating the game and have a lot of the possession. Plus in the preseason Rossi was owning Maicon, i know it probably doesn't count for much since he wasn't at his best yet, but still for a 17/18 year old thats quite an achievement, plus both are highly rated, and would have given more than Marchionni managed in the game

 

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[vimo]

Yes i would have, if you are going to put in "unproven" players, you do it when your dominating the game and have a lot of the possession. Plus in the preseason Rossi was owning Maicon, i know it probably doesn't count for much since he wasn't at his best yet, but still for a 17/18 year old thats quite an achievement, plus both are highly rated, and would have given more than Marchionni managed in the game

how do you know??? ffs people, only because some primavera had their good games, they are NOT matchwinners for the serie-a! Someone like Iago is not serie-a ready. rossi had his good games in preseason, ekdal surprised us all with his appearances, but it's not like they can just substitute someone like marchionni, and i'm not even a big fan of marchionni's. So please; stop this nonsense talk, people like iago, rossi, etc are backups at best and they're on the match-list for their own experience, and for the case everybody else gets injured. They may have an immense potential, but they are NOT the people to put on the pitch when you're leading by 1 single goal (or drawing), and you do not fully control your opponent...
Those lads are not the serie-a matchwinners, because if they were, the 'poorer' teams would be full of 18-yr-olds.

 

[Red]

how do you know??? ffs people, only because some primavera had their good games, they are NOT matchwinners for the serie-a! Someone like Iago is not serie-a ready. rossi had his good games in preseason, ekdal surprised us all with his appearances, but it's not like they can just substitute someone like marchionni, and i'm not even a big fan of marchionni's. So please; stop this nonsense talk, people like iago, rossi, etc are backups at best and they're on the match-list for their own experience, and for the case everybody else gets injured. They may have an immense potential, but they are NOT the people to put on the pitch when you're leading by 1 single goal (or drawing), and you do not fully control your opponent...
Those lads are not the serie-a matchwinners, because if they were, the 'poorer' teams would be full of 18-yr-olds.

Folk don't seem to realise that there is a valid reason that very few players aged under 20 play regularly for any Serie A team.

 

[pitbull]

Giovinco was bad against Bate on right wing, he shouldn`t play there. Marchionni will be benched at first chance (when Camo/Salihamidzic will be back or we will be ready to play 433) after such display like the one against Lecce, but De Ceglie nor Giovinco is the one`s who can play well on the right wing in both sides of the pitch for 60-90 minutes. Grygera is good in supporting attacks but he wont be able to do anything if he had to mark two opponents constantly.

 

[Cuti]

how do you know??? ffs people, only because some primavera had their good games, they are NOT matchwinners for the serie-a! Someone like Iago is not serie-a ready. rossi had his good games in preseason, ekdal surprised us all with his appearances, but it's not like they can just substitute someone like marchionni, and i'm not even a big fan of marchionni's. So please; stop this nonsense talk, people like iago, rossi, etc are backups at best and they're on the match-list for their own experience, and for the case everybody else gets injured. They may have an immense potential, but they are NOT the people to put on the pitch when you're leading by 1 single goal (or drawing), and you do not fully control your opponent...
Those lads are not the serie-a matchwinners, because if they were, the 'poorer' teams would be full of 18-yr-olds.

Like i said before, Rossi has played against Maicon, Brown and some others, and was good, so i'm pretty sure he would have been able to do something against Esposito

 

[Azzurri7]

Any player would do a better job than Marchionni. De Ceglie did it in only 10min. Took him one cross to make Marchionni look like a brainless chicken.

 

[Luca]

he can't make simple passes either, he gives away possesion the most

 

[Bjerknes]

how do you know??? ffs people, only because some primavera had their good games, they are NOT matchwinners for the serie-a! Someone like Iago is not serie-a ready. rossi had his good games in preseason, ekdal surprised us all with his appearances, but it's not like they can just substitute someone like marchionni, and i'm not even a big fan of marchionni's. So please; stop this nonsense talk, people like iago, rossi, etc are backups at best and they're on the match-list for their own experience, and for the case everybody else gets injured. They may have an immense potential, but they are NOT the people to put on the pitch when you're leading by 1 single goal (or drawing), and you do not fully control your opponent...
Those lads are not the serie-a matchwinners, because if they were, the 'poorer' teams would be full of 18-yr-olds.

How do you whether or not some youngsters are ready to play?

And apparently you believe Marchionni is a match winner. The guy is a useless player. Don't make him out to be something better.

 

[vimo]

How do you whether or not some youngsters are ready to play?

And apparently you believe Marchionni is a match winner. The guy is a useless player. Don't make him out to be something better.

see if you would take 5 mins to actually read what i've been saying then these discussions would be useless...

marchionni is not a match-winner, in fact, sometimes i think even a one-legged camo would be twice the player marchionni is, but this is out of discussion;

People who believe players like rossi, ekdal or iago are ready for the big stage have never played football before. Let me put it this way; if the iagos and ekdals can win you games with their young enthusiasm, why don't they get bought by everyone? i mean iago cost little to nothing to us, every serie-a team could have afforded that guy? why was there no competition? It's because those are players who are not ready, yet!
Rossi and Ekdal were fabulous in preseason, but that's because they're young and have the energy and the motivation to impress. But that alone does not make you a good player. I'd rather have a marchionni keeping the ball then a rossi dribbling and losing an easy ball in the end.

I'll give you that marchionni had a horrible game against lecce, but this doesn't change the fact that an experienced player can manage a game or a lead.

Everyone thinking we could just put on the field 11 'talents'... look at arsenal. enough said. (and i don't even mean to turn down the 'arsenal-project'. It's just the live-demonstration that experience is a big factor in football)

 

[Bjerknes]

see if you would take 5 mins to actually read what i've been saying then these discussions would be useless...

marchionni is not a match-winner, in fact, sometimes i think even a one-legged camo would be twice the player marchionni is, but this is out of discussion;

People who believe players like rossi, ekdal or iago are ready for the big stage have never played football before. Let me put it this way; if the iagos and ekdals can win you games with their young enthusiasm, why don't they get bought by everyone? i mean iago cost little to nothing to us, every serie-a team could have afforded that guy? why was there no competition? It's because those are players who are not ready, yet!
Rossi and Ekdal were fabulous in preseason, but that's because they're young and have the energy and the motivation to impress. But that alone does not make you a good player. I'd rather have a marchionni keeping the ball then a rossi dribbling and losing an easy ball in the end.

I'll give you that marchionni had a horrible game against lecce, but this doesn't change the fact that an experienced player can manage a game or a lead.

Everyone thinking we could just put on the field 11 'talents'... look at arsenal. enough said. (and i don't even mean to turn down the 'arsenal-project'. It's just the live-demonstration that experience is a big factor in football)

Who said we should field 11 U-21's in a match? We have trouble fielding ONE sometimes, so your point is redundant.

If nobody else went for Iago, does that mean we are settling for mediocre players?

I find it absolutely mind-boggling that we have to put up with a player who has no natural ability, no wherewithal to make any meaningful plays on the wing, and only gives the ball away through silly passes or dribbling the ball out of bounds. I mean, could it get any worse than this? We might as well just field a player with no arms ( a la Camoranesi) and no football ability whatsoever, only the ability to run and interfere with play on the pitch instead. You know, like fielding a dingo, or a hedge hog, or something. That is all we get with Marchionni on the pitch!

So what is the big deal with giving a youth team player a chance to show us what he can do on the big stage? If the position is already wasted anyway, and nothing good comes out of the slot, why not try another option despite the age? What, are we afraid the kid will pee his pants out there or something?

This sheer pussy-footing regarding youngsters is simply shameful. We're not even fielding more than two youngsters compared to Arsenal who field a few every match. But this notion of, "we don't want to become like Arsenal" is all people hide behind when talking about giving players a chance. And it's stupid.

 

[tibike]

So what is the big deal with giving a youth team player a chance to show us what he can do on the big stage? If the position is already wasted anyway, and nothing good comes out of the slot, why not try another option despite the age? What, are we afraid the kid will pee his pants out there or something?

My thoughts exactly

 

[Red]

Who said we should field 11 U-21's in a match? We have trouble fielding ONE sometimes, so your point is redundant.

If nobody else went for Iago, does that mean we are settling for mediocre players?

I find it absolutely mind-boggling that we have to put up with a player who has no natural ability, no wherewithal to make any meaningful plays on the wing, and only gives the ball away through silly passes or dribbling the ball out of bounds. I mean, could it get any worse than this? We might as well just field a player with no arms ( a la Camoranesi) and no football ability whatsoever, only the ability to run and interfere with play on the pitch instead. You know, like fielding a dingo, or a hedge hog, or something. That is all we get with Marchionni on the pitch!

So what is the big deal with giving a youth team player a chance to show us what he can do on the big stage? If the position is already wasted anyway, and nothing good comes out of the slot, why not try another option despite the age? What, are we afraid the kid will pee his pants out there or something?

This sheer pussy-footing regarding youngsters is simply shameful. We're not even fielding more than two youngsters compared to Arsenal who field a few every match. But this notion of, "we don't want to become like Arsenal" is all people hide behind when talking about giving players a chance. And it's stupid.

Are you not familiar with the 'Better the Devil you know' principle?

I feel we could be slightly more adventurous with some of our young players, but I'm not going to criticise Ranieri for not using them because I don't know how the youngsters are performing in training.

 

[tibike]

Are you not familiar with the 'Better the Devil you know' principle?

I feel we could be slightly more adventurous with some of our young players, but I'm not going to criticise Ranieri for not using them because I don't know how the youngsters are performing in training.

Honestly, they would have to be exceptionally poor to play worse than Marco in his recent matches.

 

[Red]

Honestly, they would have to be exceptionally poor to play worse than Marco in his recent matches.

But we all know that Ranieri is incredibly reluctant to play players who can't defend on the wing.

Marchionni works hard and tracks back well, even if he contributes almost zilch in attack.

Salihamidzic Mark II, potentially.

 

[Bjerknes]

Are you not familiar with the 'Better the Devil you know' principle?

I feel we could be slightly more adventurous with some of our young players, but I'm not going to criticise Ranieri for not using them because I don't know how the youngsters are performing in training.

But we all know that Ranieri is incredibly reluctant to play players who can't defend on the wing.

Marchionni works hard and tracks back well, even if he contributes almost zilch in attack.

Salihamidzic Mark II, potentially.

Would it be difficult to instruct the player to track back and win balls defensively?

And if we are using the principle you mentioned, does that mean Ranieri doesn't have a good grasp over the youngsters at the club?

Being conservative is one thing, but being downright against something to the point where it becomes detrimental to your team or institution is not good news. If our success relies on whether or not we can field one single young player who may or may not make a difference, then that is a scary precedent.

 

[Red]

Would it be difficult to instruct the player to track back and win balls defensively?

And if we are using the principle you mentioned, does that mean Ranieri doesn't have a good grasp over the youngsters at the club?

Being conservative is one thing, but being downright against something to the point where it becomes detrimental to your team or institution is not good news. If our success relies on whether or not we can field one single young player who may or may not make a difference, then that is a scary precedent.

But telling a player to track back doen't mean they are any good at it.

I don't mean Ranieri doesn't know the players, but he doesn't know how they will perform in Serie A.

If the team is playing well and winning games comfortably, it would be nice if Ranieri will try out some younger players.

The other option is that Ranieri doesn't think the current batch of young players are any good and they have been overrated, as so often happens.

I would also say that the reluctance to use youngsters is an Italian problem, not just Ranieri. They all seem to feel that the vast majority of youngsters are not prepared to play in Serie A while they are still a teenager.

 

[Bjerknes]

But telling a player to track back doen't mean they are any good at it.

I don't mean Ranieri doesn't know the players, but he doesn't know how they will perform in Serie A.

If the team is playing well and winning games comfortably, it would be nice if Ranieri will try out some younger players.

The other option is that Ranieri doesn't think the current batch of young players are any good and they have been overrated, as so often happens.

I would also say that the reluctance to use youngsters is an Italian problem, not just Ranieri. They all seem to feel that the vast majority of youngsters are not prepared to play in Serie A while they are still a teenager.

Well, Inter has used Balotelli and that other guy in Serie A before.

I'm not complaining just for the sake of complaining. It's simply tiresome watching inept players being fielded for months on end with no hope of changing things around.

But we will do what we usually do and ship the kids off on loan and risk them in murky waters, so we'll see what happens.

 

[Red]

Balotelli is a slightly different case from most of Juve's youngsters due to him being very physically developed for his age.

The way Mourinho is handling him suggests that he isn't mentally prepared to play regularly in Serie A, though.

And we have used Ekdal in Serie A and Ariaudo featured in the CL Qualifier, not to mention the three main young players.

I agree that loans and co-ownerships have failed to produce results in general.

 

[mondo1]

Folk don't seem to realise that there is a valid reason that very few players aged under 20 play regularly for any Serie A team.

i wouldn't have played these youngster against lecce but there are some games where u r 2:0 or 3:0 up... so give the kids a chance... rossi had some good games in preseason so why not against teams like reggina or so....
and what u say is the reason why so many youngster are wasted on the bench and got lost in the game... we will end up like the epl with no homegrown youngsters and only forgein players.... pls don't get me wrong and talk about italian blood it is just that u must give them a shot or they will be wasted...

"Balotelli is a slightly different case from most of Juve's youngsters due to him being very physically developed for his age."

sorry but he is in the mid 30's...

 

[Cronios]

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