Mark covered it in the general discussion thread: http://forum.juventuz.com/showthrea...lk-(2011-12)&p=3063555&viewfull=1#post3063555
That is better for general rumours and talk
That is better for general rumours and talk
But Del Piero is a genius footballer. His passion comes from him using his skill effectively and scoring goals. Marchisio isn't some sort of wonderkid, he's a water carrier. If he wants to set himself apart from his competition for his role, he had better show us something of value, because IMO he hasn't yet. He's a limited player who needs to rely on determination to get the job done.
But that's hopeful optimism. Marchisio has always been the same player -- a guy who does his job and works relatively hard, but doesn't take it to the next level. He can't take it to the next level in terms of ability because he doesn't have it, but he can up his energy and determination. There's no evidence to support what you're saying because we haven't seen it in the past, even when we were relatively good under Ranieri. It's similar to saying I'm going to fulfill my potential in multivariable calculus just because I had a good GPA the semester I took the course.
He just doesn't have any real useful qualities besides being a water-carrier. Period. You know this as a fact considering what you just wrote. Without quality players around him, we won't get the best out of Marchisio, which makes him dispensable unlike some destroyer or holding midfielder who does his job no matter what. That's why Marchisio needs to take himself to another level of grit and determination.
I think he's only going to be solid if he plays in a good team, not someone to make us a good team. And that's why he's dispensable. But I for one want to keep him because he's suited for the 4-3-3 next to two competent players and he is a Juventino.
But that's hopeful optimism. Marchisio has always been the same player -- a guy who does his job and works relatively hard, but doesn't take it to the next level. He can't take it to the next level in terms of ability because he doesn't have it, but he can up his energy and determination. There's no evidence to support what you're saying because we haven't seen it in the past, even when we were relatively good under Ranieri. It's similar to saying I'm going to fulfill my potential in multivariable calculus just because I had a good GPA the semester I took the course.
He just doesn't have any real useful qualities besides being a water-carrier. Period. You know this as a fact considering what you just wrote. Without quality players around him, we won't get the best out of Marchisio, which makes him dispensable unlike some destroyer or holding midfielder who does his job no matter what. That's why Marchisio needs to take himself to another level of grit and determination.
I think he's only going to be solid if he plays in a good team, not someone to make us a good team. And that's why he's dispensable. But I for one want to keep him because he's suited for the 4-3-3 next to two competent players and he is a Juventino.
I think you underrate Marchisio's abilities, a lot. He has a great finish, he's a very good dribbler(he can easily beat his man) and has very good technique, a good pass and intelligent on the pitch. He'll rarely lose the bal or do anything foolish.
The only problem remains that he does not dare to show his abilities too much.
The only problem remains that he does not dare to show his abilities too much.
That doesn't make any sense. If he was not a genius footballer and didn't have those goals and ability he would be less 'passionate'? It's just a football buzzword. He's a great footballer and Marchisio isn't. As you say, he needs to do more to make up for this if he wants to play for Juventus.
You repeated the same thing three times in response to my points, about him being a 'water carrier', so I'll just reply to this:
No actually I wrote;
Which isn't descriptive of a 'water carrier' midfielder.
Dominic, I think these points tie together, having seen him in a more offensive role in other games (when we were playing better/getting more points) and then seeing him playing a tidying up role in relative anonymity later in the season - not an easy task for someone who wants to get forward, but he does it and then gets criticised for being quiet all the same - I'd like to see him given a freer role, but again, it's a tactical issue and he'd need a progressive two-way role.
You repeated the same thing three times in response to my points, about him being a 'water carrier', so I'll just reply to this:
No actually I wrote;
Which isn't descriptive of a 'water carrier' midfielder.
Dominic, I think these points tie together, having seen him in a more offensive role in other games (when we were playing better/getting more points) and then seeing him playing a tidying up role in relative anonymity later in the season - not an easy task for someone who wants to get forward, but he does it and then gets criticised for being quiet all the same - I'd like to see him given a freer role, but again, it's a tactical issue and he'd need a progressive two-way role.
