Claudio Marchisio (137 Viewers)

[Alen]

The difference is minimal.

Doesn't matter. The same minimal difference can be seen with the assists (Vucinic has 0.10 per match while the other two have 0.08). It still says that Vucinic is if not better then at least on the same level regarding finishing and usefulness. You called the other two better finishers and Quag a more useful all-round player.

Plus we can't debate who is the better finisher over these stats. We need scored goals per shots on goal ratio. That will decide who is the better finisher.

If you say so...

Shots on and off target / goals scored (serie A only)
Vucinic 528 shots - 75 goals = 1 goal in 7.04 shots
Matri 348 shots - 45 goals = 1 goal in 7.73 shots
Quagliarella 739 shots - 61 goals = 1 goal in 12.1 shots

Source: ESPN player stats

Edit: Even before I checked I knew that Vucinic will have better stats since he spent a good number of seasons playing as a wide attacker for Roma. I knew that he takes less shots than Quag who used to shoot from everywhere or Matri who always plays as a CF.

 

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[Marc]

Can't argue with that, Alen. I accept defeat.

 

[JuveJay]

That is indeed because Quagliarella shoots from 45 yards every time We need distances, wind speed, calibre of goalkeeper etc.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Now everyone believes goal.com.

Well they're more correct than the Cheesio supporters around here.

 

[Hust]

Not saying I disagree with the general point they make, although it's more of a blanket statement which appears following bad performances. It didn't appear after the TIM or other friendlies where he did ok to good, but last season created a stick to beat him with and will continue to until he performs well more regularly. He's in that situation now where everything wrong he does will be highlighted and everything good will be responded with 'he doesn't do it enough'. Other players will be afforded more tolerance as they have a clean slate or past achievements, so that's the situation he works in.

Also, the perception - that funnily enough isn't really apparent on this forum - that he is 'new Tardelli' and the other old adages they come up with in the article, isn't really apparent now. Only a few clueless fans would think that. Marchisio has developed into a pretty good player who doesn't really suit any tactical setup we have used in the last 2 years, it's up to him whether he applies himself better or stays the same because the club goes on regardless.

Great post, JJ. Every mistake he makes will be highlighted more than anyone else. Krasic can underperform so far this season and when he is criticized suddenly someone is on a bandwagon. But when everyone criticizes marchisio for a subpar performance yesterday suddenly its ok to be on a bandwagon because thats when the know it alls come out.

Just like everyone says let a specific player play for a full season before judging, the same is never applied to him. Play a season out of position as goal.com even says, let this season conclude before passing judgement. Up until yesterday he was one of our better performers but you will NEVER hear one of his "anti-non-idiotic-know-it-alls" admit it.

It is what it is. Call me an idiot for my "idiotic view", I don't give a shit. There are one or two players that are heads above the rest this preseason, Marchisio IS NOT one of them, but he certainly has been one of better performers up until yesterday...keep in mind the whole team underperformed in the first half with neither goal his fault but still gets bashed.

 

[Hust]

Using goal.com to reenforce your opinion. Aren't you a special bunch?

But we are "idiotic" in our views.

 

[pitbull]

It's a pre-season. The talks of Marchisio being capable or not being capable to thrive in 2 man midfield is a baseless banter until he is actually given a try in that position at least for a few competitive games. No reason to bash him that hard and no reason to be mad about it also. Let's wait a few weeks.

 

[sateeh]

The Marchisio debate will never die down here (and on twitter) and its getting quit boring with its repetition. Some people are not convinced and have they're opinions set in stone.

IMO as I said before, to me a player like Marchisio are more beneficial to THIS team more than a player like Melo for example. The latter being a more complete player and better technically in his natural position. But I think the problem with this team is not only the technical attributes (in other positions yes but not in the CM position). This is where a player like Marchisio who always plays for the team, and always puts the team over himself. Something many of the other better technical players do not and that is why this team over the years never really had real harmony. Coincidentally, Marchisio best days were when the harmony between the players was at its peak (some games under Ranieri and others under DelNeri). And comparing him to Marco Motta is a way of causing controversy more than anything. The guy is a very good player, he wouldn't be trusted by different coaches both in Italy and Juventus if he wasn't. It would've been easy to ship him off before or not pick him for the nazionale.

 

[X Æ A-12]

The Marchisio debate will never die down here (and on twitter) and its getting quit boring with its repetition. Some people are not convinced and have they're opinions set in stone.

IMO as I said before, to me a player like Marchisio are more beneficial to THIS team more than a player like Melo for example. The latter being a more complete player and better technically in his natural position. But I think the problem with this team is not only the technical attributes (in other positions yes but not in the CM position). This is where a player like Marchisio who always plays for the team, and always puts the team over himself. Something many of the other better technical players do not and that is why this team over the years never really had real harmony. Coincidentally, Marchisio best days were when the harmony between the players was at its peak (some games under Ranieri and others under DelNeri). And comparing him to Marco Motta is a way of causing controversy more than anything. The guy is a very good player, he wouldn't be trusted by different coaches both in Italy and Juventus if he wasn't. It would've been easy to ship him off before or not pick him for the nazionale.

This is the type of mentality that gets players like Pepe and Marchisio into our starting eleven.

 

[JuveJay]

Basically you're trying to put a team player into an average team, and then expecting him to be a difference maker. He's a weird player, it'd be better if he was 6'3" and tough in the tackle, it'd be easier to pigeon-hole him.

 

[Hust]

The Marchisio debate will never die down here (and on twitter) and its getting quit boring with its repetition. Some people are not convinced and have they're opinions set in stone.

IMO as I said before, to me a player like Marchisio are more beneficial to THIS team more than a player like Melo for example. The latter being a more complete player and better technically in his natural position. But I think the problem with this team is not only the technical attributes (in other positions yes but not in the CM position). This is where a player like Marchisio who always plays for the team, and always puts the team over himself. Something many of the other better technical players do not and that is why this team over the years never really had real harmony. Coincidentally, Marchisio best days were when the harmony between the players was at its peak (some games under Ranieri and others under DelNeri). And comparing him to Marco Motta is a way of causing controversy more than anything. The guy is a very good player, he wouldn't be trusted by different coaches both in Italy and Juventus if he wasn't. It would've been easy to ship him off before or not pick him for the nazionale.

Well put. +rep

 

[Linebreak]

Blind Support of Marchisio - they guy has proven himself to be nothing more than average over the last few seasons - yes at times he does spectacular things, like his goal against Inter, a couple of goals he scored last season, but even within the same game he would remain anonymous for the remainder of the match.

He was LW only last season - before that he was CM and did nothing. Last season if he was good enough to play CM ahead of Aqui and Melo he would of, but he wasn't. Both players are now gone and still he's not good enough ahead of Pirlo or Vidal.

A CM should be able to control the MF and a top CM can control the tempo of a game. Marchisio has never done either in a single match throughout his entire career. We had him commenting "I am a CM" after we beat Cuneo 8-0 and as though scoring two goals against an amateur side meant anything at all. Wow, any memeber on this forum could potentially score two goals playing CM against a Sunday side.

Marchisio is NOT the future of Juventus and is not even good enough for the Italian NT - Aqui, Montolivo, Pirlo and a number of others are ahead of him.

It is best to sell him now, make some money, while everyone is under the illusion that he is a good player.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Blind Support...

 

[Linebreak]

You got something to say brother?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Nope.

 

[Linebreak]

Nope.

Good

 

[sateeh]

This is the type of mentality that gets players like Pepe and Marchisio into our starting eleven.

That is true but I never said he should be in the starting eleven this season did I. The difference between him and Pepe is that he Pepe is expected to make the difference while that should not be the expectation from Marchisio.

A few years back, yes he was a starter for me and last year for large chunks of the season he earned his games. But this pre season and the second part of last season he faded away and needs to step up. That I agree on.

Basically you're trying to put a team player into an average team, and then expecting him to be a difference maker. He's a weird player, it'd be better if he was 6'3" and tough in the tackle, it'd be easier to pigeon-hole him.

But then is he why this team (focus on the word team here not starting eleven) is average. This team has average player all around, like Bonucci, Krasic and on the bench are a dime a dozen. Marchisio is not the problem in this team, not even close.

Blind Support of Marchisio - they guy has proven himself to be nothing more than average over the last few seasons - yes at times he does spectacular things, like his goal against Inter, a couple of goals he scored last season, but even within the same game he would remain anonymous for the remainder of the match.

He was LW only last season - before that he was CM and did nothing. Last season if he was good enough to play CM ahead of Aqui and Melo he would of, but he wasn't. Both players are now gone and still he's not good enough ahead of Pirlo or Vidal.

A CM should be able to control the MF and a top CM can control the tempo of a game. Marchisio has never done either in a single match throughout his entire career. We had him commenting "I am a CM" after we beat Cuneo 8-0 and as though scoring two goals against an amateur side meant anything at all. Wow, any memeber on this forum could potentially score two goals playing CM against a Sunday side.

Marchisio is NOT the future of Juventus and is not even good enough for the Italian NT - Aqui, Montolivo, Pirlo and a number of others are ahead of him.

It is best to sell him now, make some money, while everyone is under the illusion that he is a good player.

People talk about the consistency factor a lot, as if the team has been consistent over a whole season. This is a team sport, and he is not a once in a generation player like Messi. So he won't make a difference every game and always lift the team on his shoulders, other players should do that. He gets a lot of grief but we got a whole team riddled with inconsistency, while we expect him (and others) to be great.

Interesting enough, how many here rate Conte as a player? Because I see him as an exact replica of Marchisio (Tardelli was a bit bigger and better on the ball). The difference between the two is that Conte had a monster of a team around him while Marchisio has Melo and Sissoko.

 

[Marc]

Marchisio is even better than Conte was, IMO.

 

[Linebreak]

Marchisio is even better than Conte was, IMO.

Roflmmaaaaoaoooooooooooo - WOW!

 

[Djabrail]

Blind Support of Marchisio - they guy has proven himself to be nothing more than average over the last few seasons - yes at times he does spectacular things, like his goal against Inter, a couple of goals he scored last season, but even within the same game he would remain anonymous for the remainder of the match.

He was LW only last season - before that he was CM and did nothing. Last season if he was good enough to play CM ahead of Aqui and Melo he would of, but he wasn't. Both players are now gone and still he's not good enough ahead of Pirlo or Vidal.

A CM should be able to control the MF and a top CM can control the tempo of a game. Marchisio has never done either in a single match throughout his entire career. We had him commenting "I am a CM" after we beat Cuneo 8-0 and as though scoring two goals against an amateur side meant anything at all. Wow, any memeber on this forum could potentially score two goals playing CM against a Sunday side.

Marchisio is NOT the future of Juventus and is not even good enough for the Italian NT - Aqui, Montolivo, Pirlo and a number of others are ahead of him.

It is best to sell him now, make some money, while everyone is under the illusion that he is a good player.

Is anyone still under the illusion?Dont think well get anything more than 5-7 mil for him.