Claudio Marchisio (44 Viewers)

[Xperd]

I think sentiment will be the deciding factor in the end in my opinion.That is indeed a big offer and in normal circumstances we should or would consider it for a club like ours who are not up there financially with the likes of Bayern and Madrid.

We'll only sell him if he asks leave which i'm quite certain he wont.We dont need to do a 'Milan' here by forcing players into sales.

 

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[Oz_Bianconero88]

Baggio isn't Marchisio, you're right. I understand your both your reasoning and your perspective, and in an overall sense I greatly respect your argument, but I cannot agree with it entirely. Marchisio is Torino born, joined the club at the age of 7, has spent every year (bar his year long loan at Empoli) with Juventus. He's long been groomed as our future captain, and prior to him injuring his knee a few months back, he was of equal importance to Vidal. Fatigue has been his worst enemy this last half of the season, but to rid Juve of Marchisio would be a massive error of judgement, and a terrible message to convey future Juventini. Baggio was just another player (albeit, a brilliant one), who was bought by Juve and then sold, no different to Zidane, or Peruzzi, or Viali. Marchisio is home grown and should remain here; I bet you anything SAF would never have sold Scholes in the same situation..

 

[Cirillo]

where there's smoke, there's fire! There has been too much speculation around marchisio for the club not to be seriously considering selling him. Personally I am a realist, i understand that is the right offer comes in then everyone is for sale. That being said I understand 37m is a lot of money but it's not an astronomical. For a player who supposedly means so much to the fabric of this current Juventus it seems strange to me that this offer would be accepted.

On another note, i think Marchisio is a player of the highest quality but i think he does his best work off the ball so he needs a Pirlo to handle the bulk of the midfield distribution and a Vidal to work and run so hard both ways to allow him the freedom and space to be at his best. Without that he will need to shoulder too much and his game will suffer, he's much better off here...

 

[Alen]

Baggio isn't Marchisio, you're right. I understand your both your reasoning and your perspective, and in an overall sense I greatly respect your argument, but I cannot agree with it entirely. Marchisio is Torino born, joined the club at the age of 7, has spent every year (bar his year long loan at Empoli) with Juventus. He's long been groomed as our future captain, and prior to him injuring his knee a few months back, he was of equal importance to Vidal. Fatigue has been his worst enemy this last half of the season, but to rid Juve of Marchisio would be a massive error of judgement, and a terrible message to convey future Juventini. Baggio was just another player (albeit, a brilliant one), who was bought by Juve and then sold, no different to Zidane, or Peruzzi, or Viali. Marchisio is home grown and should remain here; I bet you anything SAF would never have sold Scholes in the same situation..

I wouldn't pay that much attention to Marchisio's background as a Juventino. It's of certain importance, but, as it can be seen in the case of De Ceglie and Giovinco, it's not of huge importance, because for a huge majority of the people here De Ceglie's juventiness is as important as last year's snow.
I'd personally consider some other things when deciding for or against a potential sale. I explained most of those above. Marchisio is a quality player and he was an instrumental part of a back to back scudetto winning midfield. But there is a number that can be put next to everyone's importance. In this regard, with Pogba and Asamoah in the team, both capable (not sure if they are ready, though) to replace him in the future, how much is Marchisio worth to us at this moment? Do we need Marchisio more than we need 20/25/30/35m eur, or do we need the money more?

I'm sure that we won't just sell Marchisio for the sake of it. There are so many details to be considered when Conte and Marotta will make the decision, and if we do sell him, then it will happen both because we need the money and we have just as equally good (or better) replacements. We won't sell if at least one of these two main conditions won't be satisfied.

 

[Hydde]

I wouldn't pay that much attention to Marchisio's background as a Juventino. It's of certain importance, but, as it can be seen in the case of De Ceglie and Giovinco, it's not of huge importance, because for a huge majority of the people here De Ceglie's juventiness is as important as last year's snow.
I'd personally consider some other things when deciding for or against a potential sale. I explained most of those above. Marchisio is a quality player and he was an instrumental part of a back to back scudetto winning midfield. But there is a number that can be put next to everyone's importance. In this regard, with Pogba and Asamoah in the team, both capable (not sure if they are ready, though) to replace him in the future, how much is Marchisio worth to us at this moment? Do we need Marchisio more than we need 20/25/30/35m eur, or do we need the money more?

I'm sure that we won't just sell Marchisio for the sake of it. There are so many details to be considered when Conte and Marotta will make the decision, and if we do sell him, then it will happen both because we need the money and we have just as equally good (or better) replacements. We won't sell if at least one of these two main conditions won't be satisfied.

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[Maddy]

I wouldn't pay that much attention to Marchisio's background as a Juventino. It's of certain importance, but, as it can be seen in the case of De Ceglie and Giovinco, it's not of huge importance, because for a huge majority of the people here De Ceglie's juventiness is as important as last year's snow.
I'd personally consider some other things when deciding for or against a potential sale. I explained most of those above. Marchisio is a quality player and he was an instrumental part of a back to back scudetto winning midfield. But there is a number that can be put next to everyone's importance. In this regard, with Pogba and Asamoah in the team, both capable (not sure if they are ready, though) to replace him in the future, how much is Marchisio worth to us at this moment? Do we need Marchisio more than we need 20/25/30/35m eur, or do we need the money more?

I'm sure that we won't just sell Marchisio for the sake of it. There are so many details to be considered when Conte and Marotta will make the decision, and if we do sell him, then it will happen both because we need the money and we have just as equally good (or better) replacements. We won't sell if at least one of these two main conditions won't be satisfied.

nice to see some rationality in this thread

 

[Cheesio]

Throw Ale out of the club, Sell Marchisio, Buffon to retire in 2 years, Who left that represent the spirit of Juventus. ?

 

[Maddy]

juventus > fan favourites

nuff said

 

[Dostoevsky]

Throw Ale out of the club, Sell Marchisio, Buffon to retire in 2 years, Who left that represent the spirit of Juventus. ?

:sleepy:

 

[ZoSo]

Throw Ale out of the club, Sell Marchisio, Buffon to retire in 2 years, Who left that represent the spirit of Juventus. ?

 

[JuveJay]

where there's smoke, there's fire!

With the Italian sports media it's more like 'where there's smoke, there's a smoke machine'.

€36m definitely falls into the 'ridiculous' range of offers. Alen has pretty much hit the nail on the head. I love Marchisio and what he represents, but if the player has any inclination for this move then for that price we do it, simply because we regenerate the team. Having said that I expect even if that offer did come in we would reject it.

As for Monaco it would be quite a dumb move, as they would be paying an excessive amount because of his ties to Juventus, which hold no value whatsoever for them. It's nothing tangible that they can use themselves.

 

[Joe]

Marchisio non si tocca.
Vidal non si tocca.
Pogba non si tocca.
Pirlo non si tocca.
Buffon non si tocca.
Barzagli non si tocca.
Bonucci non si tocca.
Chiellini no si tocca.
Lichtsteiner non si tocca.
Llorente non si tocca.
Tevez non si tocca.

Anyone else could be on the transfer list.

 

[ZoSo]

Gundogan & Coentrao/Marcelo pls

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Marchisio non si tocca.
Vidal non si tocca.
Pogba non si tocca.
Pirlo non si tocca.
Buffon non si tocca.
Barzagli non si tocca.
Bonucci non si tocca.
Chiellini no si tocca.
Lichtsteiner non si tocca.
Llorente non si tocca.
Tevez non si tocca.

Anyone else could be on the transfer list.

Rubinho non si tocca

 

[Furino]

Anyone else could be on the transfer list.

You forgot Asamoah man

 

[enzo]

There was this moment when we decided to sell the 28 years old Baggio despite some really strong protests from the fans. The reason was money, but also, as stated, the decision to focus on the just as talented Del Piero.
Baggio wasn't a Juve youth product. But after 5 great seasons he was still a fan favorite, the way nobody else was afterwards, bar Del Piero. You know where I'm going with this. We have Pogba.

In this regard, with Pogba and Asamoah in the team, both capable (not sure if they are ready, though) to replace him in the future, how much is Marchisio worth to us at this moment?

Whatever reason it maybe, let's assume economical reasons, I can imagine Marchisio was sold. However, do you think Pogba is as far as Del Piero was when Baggio left? I fear not. Many here on Tuz believe that it is Pogba who will be sold, because of his undeniable talent and irresistible offers in the future. It depends on the club's strategy in this affair, which may be revealed by upcoming contract negotiations with Pogba and/or Asamoah.

 

[Alen]

However, do you think Pogba is as far as Del Piero was when Baggio left? I fear not.

I don't know. When we decided to replace Baggio with Del Piero, Baggio was the holding ballon d'or winner. We decided to sell the currently best player in the world, and replace him with a youngster who just finished his first full season for Juve. Indeed, Baggio spent half a season injured before we sold him, but even so, he scored more goals in almost half less matches than young Del Piero did in that successful 1994/95 season. Despite that, Lippi, Moggi and the Agnellis decided that young Del Piero, even though a risk, has what it take to eventually replace Baggio. We knew that Del Piero will only get better, while Baggio will only get worse. Maybe at that moment DP wasn't as good as Baggio, but he proved that he can be a starter and offer a lot. A mega bid from Milan completely convinced us to do what we did.
Marchisio isn't Baggio, for sure. We can't know if Pogba will become as great as Del Piero. In any case, what we need to compare is if Pogba is ready to now offer at least close to what Marchisio is offering. If we decide that Pogba is almost there (like DP was) and that he will soon give (much) more than Marchisio, then he should play as much as possible. If on top of this a huge offer arrives for Claudio, then a potential decision to sell Marchisio is understandable.

 

[icemaη]

In the current set up, Pogba can't really play in Marchisio's position. He had his worst games playing in that position. Of course he can improve or Conte could change the formation. What I'm getting at is that they are not a straight swap...

 

[Khunglongkhelua]

Everyone seems to forget that Marchiso is not Baggio nor Del Piero. His ability is limited and only Juventini rate him highly. For 20mil I might keep him but for any number above 30m, I will sell him in a heart beat.

 

[icemaη]

Everyone seems to forget that Marchiso is not Baggio nor Del Piero. His ability is limited and only Juventini rate him highly. For 20mil I might keep him but for any number above 30m, I will sell him in a heart beat.

From the numbers being thrown around Monaco does seem to rate him. Also the Man United fans I know were really excited when he was linked with them...

 

[enzo]

I don't know. When we decided to replace Baggio with Del Piero, Baggio was the holding ballon d'or winner. We decided to sell the currently best player in the world, and replace him with a youngster who just finished his first full season for Juve.

Very good point. And, to make this clear, of course Marchisio isn't Baggio. A different type of player in a different position and obviously completely different stats. I wouldn't compare these two but, as you have done it, rather focus on the similar situations and opportunities to sell Marchisio and replace him with a younger promising player such as Pogba, as Juventus did with Baggio and Del Piero. While it might have been risky back then, it is even riskier today. Today we definitely are not as sovereign financially, as we were. Back then we could have pulled a big transfer ourselves as well, if it were necessary because something did not work out as expected.

What if Pogba is not ready yet, how would we deal with it today? I believe it would be hard to find somebody who integrates so seamlessly as Claudio does.