[CL] Real Madrid - Juventus (8 Viewers)

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++


Zlatan wasnt good today, I know that. But the fact is that Del Piero is the slowest player we hahve, thats not bashing, thats simply stating an objective fact.

He played without any passion, without any determination. He doesnt deserve to be the captain.
90% of the team didn't play good...So me i wouldn't come out and ask Moggi to sell Zlatan just because he didn't play good, ffs the whole team fvcked it up, The captain thing has nothing to do with what happen today with the team.... P.s i don't think it's the right time Criticizing you know....

-Zlatan should have score the Almost one on one with Casillas...
-Zlatan should work harder on his finish
-Zlatan should give more passes
-Zlatan shouldn't try to dribble R.carlos and helguera when Camo is Free
-Zlatan is 192, i think he should work on his header


NOW DOES THIS MAKE IT BETTER?????

You know we should always praise the players, and am quite sure will Fvck Madrid in Return game...So lets just give them the Credits instead of Bashing..
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Not a very good match at all. I think we started out with the right mentality because we were pressuring Real's defense in the first few minutes. After that short period we started to sit back and soak in the pressure, and Real scored the odd goal off the free-kick. Real kept attacking us and they were unlucky to not have scored more; the score should have been more like 3-0 Real, not just 1-0. Again we sat back too much and let Real Madrid control the match, and that is what I said we could not let them do.

Now we do not have that crucial away goal and we will have to attack Real in Turin, probably leaving holes open for them to get their away goal. Or even worse we could just have the same mentality as tonight and let them attack us, ending up with the same result. Capello really let me down tonight on how he told the team to play, however when you have inept players in attack its hard to blame him. All of our players in attack were absolutely pathetic, and now it's obvious to see why we play such defensive football.

Zidane was absolutely brilliant tonight and in my book he still is the best player in the world. He made Zebina and Cannavaro look basically retarded out there and nobody on our side could shut him down. I wish we still had this classy player..

Buffon made some crucial saves tonight and I am sure he was kissing the woodwork after the match because Real must have hit the post three times.

Zebina really looks bad out there and does not have timing and tackling ability to be a solid right-back. Zebina presents himself much better simply because he has a player like Thuram who can make up for his mistakes.

Thuram was very good tonight and probably was our best player, even though he made some threatening mistakes. He sure does fair well though, especially since he has to make up for everybody's mistakes in defense.

Cannavaro did not look his usual self tonight, and he was the player who was supposed to be marking Helguera. Fabio was too far from Ivan to disrupt his positioning, and that mistake cost us the goal.

Zambrotta made some good runs up the left flank but looked shaky in defense.

Camoranesi made some nice moves and was probably our best player in attack, however he gives the ball away too much and squanders a lot of chances. That said, I would like to see him be given a more forward role for the next match so that he does not have to back-track and defend.

Emerson was not bad and was making some incisive passes around the pitch, especially up the field to our inept forwards.

Blasi was all over the pitch tonight and was running his ass off. I like how he gives 110% all the time but his ball skills are piss poor. At least he gives the side some bite.

Nedved did not do much and hopefully he will be back soon because without him we are friggin pathetic. Who says we don't rely on Nedved cuz we sure as hell do.

Olivera was stumbling around like a drunk when he entered the pitch for Nedved. He gave the ball away too many times and did not do much except for shooting the ball right at Casillas. Not really sure if Olivera is Juve quality anymore. Hell half our players are not even Juve-quality.

Ibrahimovic was horrid today but at least he was able to make some chances and hold the ball up for the rest of the attackers using his strength and touch. His passing skills are absolutely horrendous as he gave the ball away too many times. We need more, much more.

Del Piero was pathetic and did absolutely nothing except make a nice back heel for Emerson in the box. He gave the ball away countless times and frankly if he keeps playing like this Zalayeta might as well start.

Tacchinardi came in and all he did was give the ball away.

Right now I'm sitting here and I really do not know how we are going to score any goals because without Nedved we are pathetic. Our passes are off key and nobody knows what to do with the ball. Moreover we have players who stumble around and cannot even control the ball. Really really pathetic Juventus.

All we can hope for is that we attack them at the Delle Alpi and get two lucky goals and somehow play stellar defense. However I really do not think we can hold Real from scoring against us, so I am not feeling good about this at all.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Juve_The_Best ] ++


he did but where?.. on the line .. NOT IN THE BOX. !! not in the midfield !

zlatan striker . DP play behind him . so who should make the chance for him . isn't DP?
When nedved was on, i saw great Dp, as soon as our playmaker Left the pitch, things started to get worse..So i don't blame our attackers, No one to deliver passes....
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


90% of the team didn't play good...So me i wouldn't come out and ask Moggi to sell Zlatan just because he didn't play good, ffs the whole team fvcked it up, The captain thing has nothing to do with what happen today with the team.... P.s i don't think it's the right time Criticizing you know....

-Zlatan should have score the Almost one on one with Casillas...
-Zlatan should work harder on his finish
-Zlatan should give more passes
-Zlatan shouldn't try to dribble R.carlos and helguera when Camo is Free
-Zlatan is 192, i think he should work on his header


NOW DOES THIS MAKE IT BETTER?????

You know we should always praise the players, and am quite sure will Fvck Madrid in Return game...So lets just give them the Credits instead of Bashing..

First of all, that was nowhere near a one on one.

Second, are you denying that Del Piero is our slowest player? It's a fact, nothing to do with tonights game, the same as his lack of fighting spirit and passion, which should strip him of his captains armband.
 

Art^

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Jan 11, 2003
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We have seen:

Super Real against Poor Juve.

and only 1 goal (wich was on a freekick were Zidane dived)

It can only be better. We simply cannot play more crappier and Real cannot play any better.

So im confident that even if we just play a bit better, then we will win. We have Neddy and Trez next time. And last time they played real, they got 1 goal each. So please calm down... I promise you all that we will win!
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



First of all, that was nowhere near a one on one.

Second, are you denying that Del Piero is our slowest player? It's a fact, nothing to do with tonights game, the same as his lack of fighting spirit and passion, which should strip him of his captains armband.
Like someone fought tonight....
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


When nedved was on, i saw great Dp, as soon as our playmaker Left the pitch, things started to get worse..So i don't blame our attackers, No one to deliver passes....
True, it seems very few are able to understand this.
when DP has no support he goes back, he almost becomes a winger and help the team to develop from the half field,
if he doesnt manage to make it all alone till the net, it doesnt mean he is totally useless.
 

Art^

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Jan 11, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


And you'll be fvckin convinced that he should stay when he'll save our asses in Delle Alpi...
Im not even convinced that he will start when Trez gets back... Even if he saves our ass, he need to score 5 goals before i would choose him over Trez, Ibra og even Zala.
 

Art^

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Jan 11, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
You still didnt answer me, is Del Piero our slowest player or not. Yes or no..
It doesnt matter if he is our slowest. He is generally our weakest player.
 

nedved34

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Oct 3, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++


Ever hear of the phrase "Attack is the best defence"?
yes and it's wise to say that.but i repeat.with our recent form,and real's recent form and the way they play.and the way we played the whole season.you can't put that line up against them.if it was the first leg,ok I would agree with you,but it is late now.we should concentrate at " not conceeding a Goal" than scoring.
btw i am not telling you that we should play with five or six deffenders,but we can play the defensive 4-4-2 system and work on counteratacks
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++

yes and it's wise to say that.but i repeat.with our recent form,and real's recent form and the way they play.and the way we played the whole season.you can't put that line up against them.if it was the first leg,ok I would agree with you,but it is late now.we should concentrate at " not conceeding a Goal" than scoring.
btw i am not telling you that we should play with five or six deffenders,but we can play the defensive 4-4-2 system and work on counteratacks
How can we concentrate on not conceding rather than scoring when we have tio score!!!

The defensive 4-4-2 will see us lose, we have absolutely no chance of going through with that kind of mentality. If we want to have any chance of going through we have to go all out attack and make them defend for 90 minutes.

Let me try to explain it this way:


Real are good at attacking. They are bad at defending.

By sitting back and waiting we are allowing them to do what they are good at rather than attacking their weaknasses.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Today he was, But usually he's one of the fastest....
Are you serious? Del Piero one of the fastest players?

I'm not talking only about tonight, in general Del Piero is our slowest player, matched perhaps only by Ciro and Montero.
 

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