[CL] Rapid - Juventus (27 Viewers)

JCK

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giovanotti said:
Lot of members here are for the Chelsea option,but I think that it is more easier with any other team.Good thing is that we cannot play against Bayern again because they are pretty much difficult.

I would like to watch Barcelona-Chelsea again,or Milan-Chelsea.
What's the point in playing Chelsea in a later stage or an earlier stage? Will they get easier then? Will we get stronger later? I think an opponent such as Chelsea gets stronger with each stage they win, meeting them in the final will be like hell, Mourinho will not accept a loss. Meeting them early is still tactical.

However this is my opinion, this is how I see it, I'd rather finish the harder job earlier, that's my policy.
 

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Stephan

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kaizer said:
nope, the earlier we get them the better. i wanna see just how great this Juve team really is....the only way to see it is to play with the best. bring on Chelski


NO NO NO!!!!! remember some previous seasons.....like 2002/2003, we played with barca and then with real....with del bosque....madrid was the best team in that time....and we beat them....and then....you remember.....and remember, NEDVED got second yellow, so he could not play in the final!

So, even if we meet top teams before....we might loose some important players before next rounds, because of bookings or injures!!!

Better start with easy games.....
 

ZhiXin

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Match report
Del Piero double delights Juve
Wednesday, 7 December 2005
by Matthew Watson-Broughton
from Ernst Happel stadium

Two significant Alessandro Del Piero strikes and a fine Zlatan Ibrahimovic effort allowed Juventus to defeat SK Rapid Wien in Austria and overhaul FC Bayern München to win UEFA Champions League Group A.

Del Piero delight
Bayern's unexpected draw at Club Brugge KV meant that victory would give Juve first place and the visitors duly triumphed thanks to three goals in quick succession at the end of the first half, two coming from Del Piero - the first being Juventus's 300th in the European Champion Clubs' Cup, the second his 182nd in Bianconeri colours, taking him level with Giampiero Boniperti as the club's highest scorer. Ibrahimovic added a solo strike while Marek Kincl hit a second-half consolation for the hosts, who were unable to give coach Josef Hickersberger a winning send-off in his penultimate game before taking charge of Austria's national team in January.

Five new faces
Juventus made five changes, Manuele Blasi replacing the injured Emerson while Adrian Mutu, Federico Balzaretti, Robert Kovač and Del Piero were given the chance to impress. Rapid, meanwhile, showed only one alteration from their weekend fixture, Sebastian Martínez making way for Peter Hlinka in central midfield. Despite the changes, Juve were quickly at ease and Patrick Vieira nearly found a way through in the eighth minute after exchanging passes with Ibrahimovic, but Rapid goalkeeper Helge Payer was quickly off his line to avert the danger. Juventus had ample opportunity to stream forward but, despite plenty of possession, there were few chances for Fabio Capello's men who appeared to miss David Trezeguet's ability to lead the line.

Ivanschitz chances
Rapid's Andreas Ivanschitz forced visiting goalkeeper Christian Abbiati into the first meaningful save with a dipping free-kick and had an even better opening just after the half-hour when Kincl's cross found him free but his downward header was palmed away by a sprawling Abbiati. Rapid had cause to regret that miss almost immediately as Del Piero's long-range free-kick left Payer helpless for the Italian club's landmark European Cup goal.

Juve take command
Their 301st came three minutes before the break as Ibrahimovic was quickest to a loose ball midway inside the Rapid half and advanced unchecked before calmly stroking a low shot inside Payer's right-hand post. The home side tried to rally and Kincl's back-heel gave György Korsós a glimpse of goal but the midfielder aimed too high. Juve again made the Austrian team pay within seconds as Mauro Camoranesi's right-wing centre fell to Ibrahimovic, whose effort was diverted past Payer by Del Piero for his record-equalling strike.

Rapid response
Capello decided to withdraw Ibrahimovic for Marcelo Zalayeta at the start of the second half, but it was Rapid who threatened first through Ivanschitz, whose low drive was gathered by Abbiati. The encouragement the home crowd wanted did arrive in the 52nd minute, however, as Hlinka returned an Ivanschitz corner into the penalty area and Kincl slipped the ball under Abbiati for his second UEFA Champions League goal of the season.

Testing times
Muhammet Akagündüz tested Abbiati again at his near post as Rapid hinted at an unlikely recovery and Juventus sought to regain control by replacing Mutu with Gianluca Pessotto, but instead Rapid captain Steffen Hofmann saw a curling free-kick deflected just wide. Andreas Dober then found space to shoot in the 74th minute yet his attempt sailed high and wide, and from then on chances were rare for either team as Juve played out time safe in the knowledge of a job well done.

source: uefa.com
 

giovanotti

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Stephan said:
right....there is also a transfer period when and you know with abramovic they might buy many players and might sell some who hasnt exactly fit to team.....for example....that defender, kompany.....
If you're asking me the first one I would sell or get rid of is Drogba...that man is catastrofic!
 

swag

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As I've said here before, nothing is easy or a given from this point. Some match ups may be a little harder than others. But I don't see there being an easy road to the final no matter what. So all the discussion about matchups at this point is pretty irrelevant to me. You have to prove it no matter what the competition -- against the G-14 clubs or even the so-called "easier" teams (who have a lot more success than the big guys lately).
 

giovanotti

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Jeeks said:
What's the point in playing Chelsea in a later stage or an earlier stage? Will they get easier then? Will we get stronger later? I think an opponent such as Chelsea gets stronger with each stage they win, meeting them in the final will be like hell, Mourinho will not accept a loss. Meeting them early is still tactical.

However this is my opinion, this is how I see it, I'd rather finish the harder job earlier, that's my policy.
And what about to let someone else to do it instead of you.
We have a domestic championship,and why the hell do we need the heaviest possible opponent?
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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giovanotti said:
And what about to let someone else to do it instead of you.
We have a domestic championship,and why the hell do we need the heaviest possible opponent?
Because the heaviest opponent might come later and upset you. Letting someone else do my job is a policy I don't go with, someone else will help me, yes it is happening, other teams are also fighting with each other. But quite frankly, Id don't see anyone getting past Chelsea or Barcelona but us, so let's do it as soon as possible. In the end we will get easier games in the CL, so we ca concentrate on both competitions.
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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Jeeks said:
Because the heaviest opponent might come later and upset you. Letting someone else do my job is a policy I don't go with, someone else will help me, yes it is happening, other teams are also fighting with each other. But quite frankly, Id don't see anyone getting past Chelsea or Barcelona but us, so let's do it as soon as possible. In the end we will get easier games in the CL, so we ca concentrate on both competitions.
lyon? ac milan?
 

kaizer

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Nov 1, 2003
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giovanotti said:
No man,I'm not prepared for the heart attack in February...April sounds better to me.:)
that's u. me? i'd rather have it earlier ;)



Jeeks said:
What's the point in playing Chelsea in a later stage or an earlier stage? Will they get easier then? Will we get stronger later? I think an opponent such as Chelsea gets stronger with each stage they win, meeting them in the final will be like hell, Mourinho will not accept a loss. Meeting them early is still tactical.

However this is my opinion, this is how I see it, I'd rather finish the harder job earlier, that's my policy.
well said :D



Stephan said:
NO NO NO!!!!! remember some previous seasons.....like 2002/2003, we played with barca and then with real....with del bosque....madrid was the best team in that time....and we beat them....and then....you remember.....and remember, NEDVED got second yellow, so he could not play in the final!

So, even if we meet top teams before....we might loose some important players before next rounds, because of bookings or injures!!!

Better start with easy games.....
so playing against lesser teams wont get our players injured, is that what u're saying? smaller teams will close us down,makes it harder for us to play....a lot more fouls. yellow card will happen, whether u're playing against Barca, or Rangers
 

Stephan

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And you cant say so, ofcourse on paper chelsea and barca have probably the best players, but in football anything might happen.....for example psv might draw with barca and draw away game 1:1 and win home game by a penalty.....anything might happen......who thouhgt liverpool, who got through to next round just thanks to goal differants would win......anything might happen....

i dont want to face chelsea or barca just becase we could eliminate them....as i said in my previous comment....against top team you might loose much even with the win..... i really would prefer chelsea, barca, lyon to play with some other teams and get knocked out.....

And dont be that confident juve is the only who could stop barca and chelsea......look what happened last year, we couldnt score 1 goal at home against liverpool.....90 minutes time, and we couldnt.....
 

giovanotti

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Jeeks said:
Because the heaviest opponent might come later and upset you. Letting someone else do my job is a policy I don't go with, someone else will help me, yes it is happening, other teams are also fighting with each other. But quite frankly, Id don't see anyone getting past Chelsea or Barcelona but us, so let's do it as soon as possible. In the end we will get easier games in the CL, so we ca concentrate on both competitions.
If it is possible why not.Why not to hope that Milan(our scudetto concurrent)will get a stronger team...it is easier for us.

And for the second one ,last year I didn't expect Milan to lose the final game,I didn't expect Liverpool's comeback,but the expectations are not the real life.
Imagine that you have a spiny road and the autostrada(highway),what would you use if you have a right to choose ???
 

JCK

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Stephan said:
And you cant say so, ofcourse on paper chelsea and barca have probably the best players, but in football anything might happen.....for example psv might draw with barca and draw away game 1:1 and win home game by a penalty.....anything might happen......who thouhgt liverpool, who got through to next round just thanks to goal differants would win......anything might happen....

i dont want to face chelsea or barca just becase we could eliminate them....as i said in my previous comment....against top team you might loose much even with the win..... i really would prefer chelsea, barca, lyon to play with some other teams and get knocked out.....

And dont be that confident juve is the only who could stop barca and chelsea......look what happened last year, we couldnt score 1 goal at home against liverpool.....90 minutes time, and we couldnt.....
Yes, because we seem to know how to play against the better teams. This proves my point that we should face tough opponents until we reach the final and play whoever there. There we know that we have to win.
 

venom

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Oct 22, 2003
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Stephan said:
right....there is also a transfer period when and you know with abramovic they might buy many players and might sell some who hasnt exactly fit to team.....for example....that defender, kompany.....
Well, there's not that many players classy enough (for Chavski anyway) who'd be available to play CL this season.

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As for who to meet - any squad is strong enough to beat Juve, it's the mentality that matters from here on. It'd be almost three months to the next CL-match and loads of good and bad can happen in between.
 

JCK

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giovanotti said:
If it is possible why not.Why not to hope that Milan(our scudetto concurrent)will get a stronger team...it is easier for us.

And for the second one ,last year I didn't expect Milan to lose the final game,I didn't expect Liverpool's comeback,but the expectations are not the real life.
Imagine that you have a spiny road and the autostrada(highway),what would you use if you have a right to choose ???
That analogy does not apply in this case. I will give you another example. Suppose you are working and you have certain tastks to do in a daily basis. Some are exhausting and some are fun and can be done while having a coffee and chatting with a colleague. What would you start with? The easy ones and when you are tired later in the afternoon, you get worked out with the tough ones and maybe not finish them and postpone them to the next day? Or finish the tough work and take it easy before going home to enjoy a nice dinner with the woman?
 

giovanotti

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Jeeks said:
Yes, because we seem to know how to play against the better teams. This proves my point that we should face tough opponents until we reach the final and play whoever there. There we know that we have to win.
And according to you we don't know how to play against inferior teams...tell me,how did we pass the group then,anyway?
 

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