[CL] Monchengladbach 1-1 JUVENTUS (November 3rd, 2015) (5 Viewers)

BMGB 1-1 Juve - Nov 3, 2015 - MoM

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DUKAC

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Feb 29, 2012
12,286
This season's destiny is clearly settled. There are no signs of improvement. I have no expectations on qualifying to CL at the league.

3 big reasons why:

1) Marotta - needless to say the mess he made this summer, while spending 80M net. Squad is totally unbalanced, players don't fit together.

2) Allegri - he is in a tough position. Any coach would have problems at his place. But he has been failling on the job, absolutely failling. He can't inspire leadership and confidence to the guys, the team sleepwalks everygame.

3) Players - some of the players aren't as good as we thought.

Dybala is good player, but not really very good, and his WC / legend potential is a mystery to me. Really not sure about his ceilling.
Cuadrado brings good stuff, but very poor end product.
Mandzukic can score in a organized team, not close to world beater.
Zaza is Zaza.

Sturaro is Sturaro.
Hernanes is Hernanes.
Khedira is the guy who is always injured, as expected.
Pogba struggling to lead the team
Marchisio showing he also can't be a leader
defenders (Chiellini) showing all its flaws, saved by Buffon.

Pereyra as an AM, in a 4 men midfield, with 2 fullbacks who can overlap, and our 2 best strikers - Dybala/Morata should have been Allegri's first choice, he failed hard in seeing this.

We'll need another overhaul next summer, with much less money to work with, because of the likeability of no CL, and big payment commitments made this year for the next year, and with Pogba and Morata very likely to leave.

And by who will it be conducted again? That's him, Marotta.

Future looks bad, and IMO this season is already gone.
Accurate and agreed. Bolded especially.
 

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italiacalcio10

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Mar 3, 2014
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I disagree, we need a freaking good trequartista or a regista. Spend 30 or 40 million on one, our lack of creativity in midfield is killing us. Dybala will eventually turn out good, but we need to address our $#@!ty midfield now. We should also sell Hernanes while we are at it, useless garbage.
I don't disagree. We have strikers, but Tevez took the team on his back. Replacing Tevez doesn't necessarily mean replacing him with a striker, it means adding a player who can take the team on his back, and win games for us. A TQ makes a lot of sense, I'm just not sure who that would be at the moment. All I know is it needs to be a player who can win games for us.

I would sell Pogba to be honest. I feel he is extremely overrated. He is very talented but doesn't have the brain. IMO you sell Pogba, buy Verratti, and spend money on an elite player - make one big purchase. Enquire about James Rodriguez, Enquire about Eden Hazard. If RM gets Hazard, maybe James in expendable...dunno, but buy a world class talent. If RM can have 4-5, there is no reason we cannot have 1!
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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I know Cuadrado isn't a prototypical CAM, but I'd really like to see him there until Pereyra returns. Allegri should at the very least try it. He wouldn't be perfect, but he offers decent passing and creativity from that spot.
That could be a solution. Or he could just use Cuadrado on the left and Dybala on the right. Both of the could cut in and leave room for the full backs to attack in.
 

electricRoo

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Feb 27, 2011
842
I don't disagree. We have strikers, but Tevez took the team on his back. Replacing Tevez doesn't necessarily mean replacing him with a striker, it means adding a player who can take the team on his back, and win games for us. A TQ makes a lot of sense, I'm just not sure who that would be at the moment. All I know is it needs to be a player who can win games for us.
Ah, I see, I misunderstood you then, I thought you were speaking strictly about a second striker. Yeah, you are right, we need someone with balls that can lead the team, provide chances and create even against the flow of play. It's just so frustrating watching this every single week.
 

italiacalcio10

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Mar 3, 2014
3,866
Ah, I see, I misunderstood you then, I thought you were speaking strictly about a second striker. Yeah, you are right, we need someone with balls that can lead the team, provide chances and create even against the flow of play. It's just so frustrating watching this every single week.
And now we're apparently going to buy Lavezzi.

Lavezzi-Morata-Cuadrado here we come!
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
WHERE is the MotM poll, and when can i vote buffon


FFS mods, FFS


time to infract for saying the truth about Hernanes, but not to open a damn poll
 

PedroFlu

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Sep 20, 2011
7,166
I'm against playing Dybala and Cuadrado together. The team gets too unbalanced. Midfield needs more protection.

But without Khedira and Pereyra, both have to play.

There are just too many holes right now.

Hernanes is burned, Sturaro is showing he's not nearly good enough to be a CM, Asamoah can't be counted on, Khedira can't be counted on, Lemina is inexperienced, Pereyra is injured, Mandzukic and Zaza are absolutely redundant.

There's just too many holes.

And honestly, I'm not sure another coach would do better with this set of players.
 

italiacalcio10

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
I'm against playing Dybala and Cuadrado together. The team gets too unbalanced. Midfield needs more protection.

But without Khedira and Pereyra, both have to play.

There are just too many holes right now.

Hernanes is burned, Sturaro is showing he's not nearly good enough to be a CM, Asamoah can't be counted on, Khedira can't be counted on, Lemina is inexperienced, Pereyra is injured, Mandzukic and Zaza are absolutely redundant.

There's just too many holes.

And honestly, I'm not sure another coach would do better with this set of players.
As I said earlier, this is completely on Marotta. He was cheap, rather than thrifty.
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,286
Hernanes was/is always MOM.
Probably this is the first time in Juve-Inter buying-selling players history that we were ripped off by that shits.Usually we did that to them up to Hernanes.
He is not worth 1 mil. ,not 11+2 in bonuses price tag.
We played with 10 players at the first half with Hernanes jogging at the pitch and running away from the ball.
At the second he was clearly better.Didn't touch the ball and get a red .
But it was a so smart move by a "God" himself aka Marotta to buy him the last day at the transfer window.Such a steal. Botht,Pogba/Pirlo deals are nothing in comparing with this maestro.
And luckily he can shot with both legs which is an advantage .Also very good with free kicks.
We will win a lot of trophies with him.
 

PedroFlu

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2011
7,166
I still think 352 is the best scheme for this team.

It has failed so far because Allegri can't set Cuadrado's position correctly. He should NOT be an offensive winger with the ball. He should be a WRB full time, just like Alex Sandro on the other side. If Allegri can do this, it should work. Dybala and Morata playing in their duties, not inverting the thing.

If he can't do it, the other try could be 4312 with Pogba and Cuadrado being tested as AMs.

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We dont have a CAM, so we need to play 433-352 assymetrical hybrid. Its that simple
This has already shown to be a failed experiment, the team gets too much exposed.

A typical 352 should be tried, with Cuadrado playing exclusively as a WRB, with discipline, not becoming a maniac with the ball.

But apparently Allegri can't get this, so a 4 men in the midfield is needed, with Cuadrado/Pogba tested as AMs
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
I still think 352 is the best scheme for this team.

It has failed so far because Allegri can't set Cuadrado's position correctly. He should NOT be an offensive winger with the ball. He should be a WRB full time, just like Alex Sandro on the other side. If Allegri can do this, it should work. Dybala and Morata playing in their duties, not inverting the thing.

If he can't do it, the other try could be 4312 with Pogba and Cuadrado being tested as AMs.

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This has already shown to be a failed experiment, the team gets too much exposed.

A typical 352 should be tried, with Cuadrado playing exclusively as a WRB, with discipline, not becoming a maniac with the ball.

But apparently Allegri can't get this, so a 4 men in the midfield is needed, with Cuadrado/Pogba tested as AMs
It works well, players just need to grow into it. Its all about where you put Cuadrado tho, and preferably with Sandro breaking in the starting 11
 
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Azzurri7

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    I seriously can't believe how naive some of you and how terribly bad can some of you read the match.

    Allegri did his job almost perfect from his part, the formation was good overall, his subs were brave and earned the team one point which puts them closer to qualification.

    Chiellini's brain-fart costed the team in the first 20min, but probably to many of you with a different coach Chiellini wouldn't have made any of his usual mistakes.

    The team started an ideal second half controlling the game and attacking left and right until smart Hernanes decided to tackle with both feet. Now I also assume with different coach Hernanes would have most probably tackled with one leg right?

    I am sure the same members calling Allegri chicken for not attacking with one man down would be now moaning had Juve lost and blame him for not playing for a point.

    Many of you were crying because Dybala didn't start some matches, but when Allegri said the kid needs to grow physically I guess if some of you played at least few years of football would agree with him by now. Now that he starts Dybala you find something else to whine on.

    Allegri did brilliant today, I wanted one point after Hernanes was out, this is group stages and not second leg quarter final to go all in. He did well with his subs and I am sure he will attack City at home.
     
    Sep 17, 2015
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    I seriously can't believe how naive some of you and how terribly bad can some of you read the match.

    Allegri did his job almost perfect from his part, the formation was good overall, his subs were brave and earned the team one point which puts them closer to qualification.

    Chiellini's brain-fart costed the team in the first 20min, but probably to many of you with a different coach Chiellini wouldn't have made any of his usual mistakes.

    The team started an ideal second half controlling the game and attacking left and right until smart Hernanes decided to tackle with both feet. Now I also assume with different coach Hernanes would have most probably tackled with one leg right?

    I am sure the same members calling Allegri chicken for not attacking with one man down would be now moaning had Juve lost and blame him for not playing for a point.

    Many of you were crying because Dybala didn't start some matches, but when Allegri said the kid needs to grow physically I guess if some of you played at least few years of football would agree with him by now. Now that he starts Dybala you find something else to whine on.

    Allegri did brilliant today, I wanted one point after Hernanes was out, this is group stages and not second leg quarter final to go all in. He did well with his subs and I am sure he will attack City at home.
    Gotta say I agree 100 per cent with everything said. Second half we were on if not for hernanes being shit. Also, all things considered, we've done very well in this "group of death", and I know for sure that Conte would've screwed up much more with his inflexibility, despite his grinta.
     

    Karim30

    Allegri is back, life is back.
    May 6, 2012
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    I seriously can't believe how naive some of you and how terribly bad can some of you read the match.

    Allegri did his job almost perfect from his part, the formation was good overall, his subs were brave and earned the team one point which puts them closer to qualification.

    Chiellini's brain-fart costed the team in the first 20min, but probably to many of you with a different coach Chiellini wouldn't have made any of his usual mistakes.

    The team started an ideal second half controlling the game and attacking left and right until smart Hernanes decided to tackle with both feet. Now I also assume with different coach Hernanes would have most probably tackled with one leg right?

    I am sure the same members calling Allegri chicken for not attacking with one man down would be now moaning had Juve lost and blame him for not playing for a point.

    Many of you were crying because Dybala didn't start some matches, but when Allegri said the kid needs to grow physically I guess if some of you played at least few years of football would agree with him by now. Now that he starts Dybala you find something else to whine on.

    Allegri did brilliant today, I wanted one point after Hernanes was out, this is group stages and not second leg quarter final to go all in. He did well with his subs and I am sure he will attack City at home.
    Perfectly said
     

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