[CL] Monchengladbach 1-1 JUVENTUS (November 3rd, 2015) (9 Viewers)

BMGB 1-1 Juve - Nov 3, 2015 - MoM

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JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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I don't think it'll be a draw there either. Anyway I put the blame for how tonight turned out squarely on the decision making of a Brazilian turtle (Chiellini's lack of technique is always going to be there), because the game was ours to do as we pleased up until that point. All those who said we are the ones who can cost us this game tonight are correct.
We are lucky Sevilla play BMG in Germany because this is how we are going to qualify. With 8 measly points.
 

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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I see you also like to insult Hernanes. I totally agree. I got infracted. Sounds unfair, no ?
I thought my comment was quite complimentary considering some he'll get tonight.

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We are lucky Sevilla play BMG in Germany because this is how we are going to qualify. With 8 measly points.
I have a feeling we will beat City (who will be already through). But yes we are lucky that the other two teams in the group have found it tough going.
 

Wings

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Jul 15, 2002
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Wat? It's highly unlikely that we don't progress at this point. Sevilla likely won't beat Gladbach away from home, and I see us drawing 1 of these matches 0-0 with our super conservative boring play.
City is going to tear us into pieces & Sevilla will beat BGM. They will smell blood & bury our carcass in the last game. That's all am seeing right now.
 

italiacalcio10

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
Flaming pile of crap :lol:
Allegri is a flaming pile of crap. Our team is weaker, but much better than what this ass clown is making them out to be.
I agree, he has underperformed but when you think about what he lost:
-Tevez...Tevez carried Juve on his back so often. There were so many instances where we would have drawn, and Tevez came through. We replaced him with Dybala, who has potential, but ultimately has never played for a non-provincial team.
-Pirlo...while he was losing his effectiveness, he won games for us with his set-pieces. He also provided creativity that we no longer have this year. We replaced him with Hernanes who hardly plays.
-Vidal...he wasn't at his best last year, but his experience was invaluable. He also was the primary offensive threat from midfield. We replaced him with Khedira who doesn't play due to injury.

We also added Mandzukic to replace Llorente who hasn't done but, Cuadrado who has been a bright spot, but doesn't suit the team's structure, and Lemina, who is inexperienced. We've also had Lichtsteiner hurt, and our new LB is playing behind a veteran. Most of the $$$ invested didn't actually help the team, it mostly just filled holes left from last year (not that well either).

Allegri as a result has had to field a group of inexperienced players, including a Pogba who clearly isn't ready, while having many key players hurt. He has had to change his formation because Marotta didn't adequately replace the talent lost, and even had to start Barzagli as a RB. Worse, even with 4-3-3, Allegri doesn't have a real option on the left side, so Morata plays there.

Marotta really gave Allegri little this year. He gave him inexperience, injury-prone players, and players that simply don't fit the team. He really screwed up.

Ultimately though, the biggest loss is Tevez. He was our weapon who carried the team, and we did not replace him at all. If he had been replaced, we'd still be good. Unfortunately, Marotta messed up from what made him good - he was thrifty at his best. At his worst, which we saw this summer, he is flat out cheap.

I feel bad for Allegri because he really was ill-equipped to handle the departures.
 

Black+White

Junior Member
Jul 5, 2014
205
You lucky Bastards. :D

Anyways, you can't give up such an easy goal like we did shortly before halftime and couldn't create enough with one man up.

Good luck against City and Sevilla.
Having watched all three opponents, Juventus is the best team in this group thanks to your ability to defend.
 

PedroFlu

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2011
7,166
This season's destiny is clearly settled. There are no signs of improvement. I have no expectations on qualifying to CL at the league.

3 big reasons why:

1) Marotta - needless to say the mess he made this summer, while spending 80M net. Squad is totally unbalanced, players don't fit together.

2) Allegri - he is in a tough position. Any coach would have problems at his place. But he has been failling on the job, absolutely failling. He can't inspire leadership and confidence to the guys, the team sleepwalks everygame.

3) Players - some of the players aren't as good as we thought.

Dybala is good player, but not really very good, and his WC / legend potential is a mystery to me. Really not sure about his ceilling.
Cuadrado brings good stuff, but very poor end product.
Mandzukic can score in a organized team, not close to world beater.
Zaza is Zaza.
Sturaro is Sturaro.
Hernanes is Hernanes.
Khedira is the guy who is always injured, as expected.
Pogba struggling to lead the team
Marchisio showing he also can't be a leader
defenders (Chiellini) showing all its flaws, saved by Buffon.

Pereyra as an AM, in a 4 men midfield, with 2 fullbacks who can overlap, and our 2 best strikers - Dybala/Morata should have been Allegri's first choice, he failed hard in seeing this.

We'll need another overhaul next summer, with much less money to work with, because of the likeability of no CL, and big payment commitments made this year for the next year, and with Pogba and Morata very likely to leave.

And by who will it be conducted again? That's him, Marotta.

Future looks bad, and IMO this season is already gone.
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
2,599
We are lucky Sevilla play BMG in Germany because this is how we are going to qualify. With 8 measly points.
Holly shit you are a negative human being. The first 20 minutes today was terrible. Then we actually started playing pretty well until Hernanes was send of and Allegri choose the pussy approach. We are going to beat Man shitty in Torino I am sure of that.
 
Oct 23, 2011
3,804
The fact that we are calculating again, just as we did the last three years, even after our excellent start with two wins against our competitors, shows how pathetic we really are. Not only should we have qualified by now, but we also gave away the first spot to City (which is going to bit us in the ass even if we qualify). Disgraceful. I am really ashamed of our performance tonight.
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,286
Amazing display, last year's CL finalists keep on showing the world how to play modern fooball with hunger and determination. The set of players available are an example for every footballer and every football fan in terms of leadership, hunger and skillsets. Teams all around the globe are envious of the Juventus management and its way of doing deals, setting an example on how to fine tune a well-oiled machine.

Buffon 8

Lichtsteiner 8
Bonucci 8
Chiellini 8.5
Evra 8

Sturaro 9
Marchisio 9
Pogba 8.5
Hernanes 9.5

Dybala 9
Morata 9

Cuadrado 8.5
Barzagli 7.5
Lemina N.R
I disagree about Hernanes.He deserved a clear 10.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
Holly shit you are a negative human being. The first 20 minutes today was terrible. Then we actually started playing pretty well until Hernanes was send of and Allegri choose the pussy approach. We are going to beat Man shitty in Torino I am sure of that.
Fo sho. Easy win, we are Juve, Marotta for president. fino alla fucking fine bitchezzz
 

italiacalcio10

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
This season's destiny is clearly settled. There are no signs of improvement. I have no expectations on qualifying to CL at the league.

3 big reasons why:

1) Marotta - needless to say the mess he made this summer, while spending 80M net. Squad is totally unbalanced, players don't fit together.

2) Allegri - he is in a tough position. Any coach would have problems at his place. But he has been failling on the job, absolutely failling. He can't inspire leadership and confidence to the guys, the team sleepwalks everygame.

3) Players - some of the players aren't as good as we thought.

Dybala is good player, but not really very good, and his WC / legend potential is a mystery to me. Really not sure about his ceilling.
Cuadrado brings good stuff, but very poor end product.
Mandzukic can score in a organized team, not close to world beater.
Zaza is Zaza.
Sturaro is Sturaro.
Hernanes is Hernanes.
Khedira is the guy who is always injured, as expected.
Pogba struggling to lead the team
Marchisio showing he also can't be a leader
defenders (Chiellini) showing all its flaws, saved by Buffon.

Pereyra as an AM, in a 4 men midfield, with 2 fullbacks who can overlap, and our 2 best strikers - Dybala/Morata should have been Allegri's first choice, he failed hard in seeing this.

We'll need another overhaul next summer, with much less money to work with, because of the likeability of no CL, and big payment commitments made this year for the next year, and with Pogba and Morata very likely to leave.

And by who will it be conducted again? That's him, Marotta.

Future looks bad, and IMO this season is already gone.
He issue with Cuadrado is he completely doesn't suit the current squad. I like him, he is good, but the team is not built to play with wingers. Could he work? Of course. We'd need to add another guy to play the left side. But then we'd have way too many strikers. It's just piss-poor team construction by Marotta. The best way I can put it is that instead of visiting a number of stores looking for great value deals, Marotta bought a bunch of crap from a flee market indiscriminately.

If we get into the UCL, Marotta has one job in January - search tireless for someone to replace Tevez. If an opportunity arises, don't be cheap, pay the money because the last thing we need is a mid-table finish after last year.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I agree, he has underperformed but when you think about what he lost:
-Tevez...Tevez carried Juve on his back so often. There were so many instances where we would have drawn, and Tevez came through. We replaced him with Dybala, who has potential, but ultimately has never played for a non-provincial team.
-Pirlo...while he was losing his effectiveness, he won games for us with his set-pieces. He also provided creativity that we no longer have this year. We replaced him with Hernanes who hardly plays.
-Vidal...he wasn't at his best last year, but his experience was invaluable. He also was the primary offensive threat from midfield. We replaced him with Khedira who doesn't play due to injury.

We also added Mandzukic to replace Llorente who hasn't done but, Cuadrado who has been a bright spot, but doesn't suit the team's structure, and Lemina, who is inexperienced. We've also had Lichtsteiner hurt, and our new LB is playing behind a veteran. Most of the $$$ invested didn't actually help the team, it mostly just filled holes left from last year (not that well either).

Allegri as a result has had to field a group of inexperienced players, including a Pogba who clearly isn't ready, while having many key players hurt. He has had to change his formation because Marotta didn't adequately replace the talent lost, and even had to start Barzagli as a RB. Worse, even with 4-3-3, Allegri doesn't have a real option on the left side, so Morata plays there.

Marotta really gave Allegri little this year. He gave him inexperience, injury-prone players, and players that simply don't fit the team. He really screwed up.

Ultimately though, the biggest loss is Tevez. He was our weapon who carried the team, and we did not replace him at all. If he had been replaced, we'd still be good. Unfortunately, Marotta messed up from what made him good - he was thrifty at his best. At his worst, which we saw this summer, he is flat out cheap.

I feel bad for Allegri because he really was ill-equipped to handle the departures.
:tup:

I think the other thing missing without Pirlo on the field this year, and Marchisio injured/in poor form, is a solid reference point in front of the defence. These players kept the midfield calm and organized, and kept its shape and structure intact.

We have no one doing that at the moment. It's not coincidence that we look best with a midfield trio of Khedira-Marchisio-Pogba, and Pereyra in front of them. Marchisio as he gets back into form will provide that same reference point and organization.
 

electricRoo

Senior Member
Feb 27, 2011
842
He issue with Cuadrado is he completely doesn't suit the current squad. I like him, he is good, but the team is not built to play with wingers. Could he work? Of course. We'd need to add another guy to play the left side. But then we'd have way too many strikers. It's just piss-poor team construction by Marotta. The best way I can put it is that instead of visiting a number of stores looking for great value deals, Marotta bought a bunch of crap from a flee market indiscriminately.

If we get into the UCL, Marotta has one job in January - search tireless for someone to replace Tevez. If an opportunity arises, don't be cheap, pay the money because the last thing we need is a mid-table finish after last year.
I disagree, we need a freaking good trequartista or a regista. Spend 30 or 40 million on one, our lack of creativity in midfield is killing us. Dybala will eventually turn out good, but we need to address our shitty midfield now. We should also sell Hernanes while we are at it, useless garbage.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
He issue with Cuadrado is he completely doesn't suit the current squad. I like him, he is good, but the team is not built to play with wingers. Could he work? Of course. We'd need to add another guy to play the left side. But then we'd have way too many strikers. It's just piss-poor team construction by Marotta. The best way I can put it is that instead of visiting a number of stores looking for great value deals, Marotta bought a bunch of crap from a flee market indiscriminately.

If we get into the UCL, Marotta has one job in January - search tireless for someone to replace Tevez. If an opportunity arises, don't be cheap, pay the money because the last thing we need is a mid-table finish after last year.
I know Cuadrado isn't a prototypical CAM, but I'd really like to see him there until Pereyra returns. Allegri should at the very least try it. He wouldn't be perfect, but he offers decent passing and creativity from that spot.
 

kao_ray

Senior Member
Feb 28, 2014
6,568
All in all this is not a bad result and we are nearly qualified. With Pereyra and Khedira things will look a lot better. I'm kinda optimistic now after the total fiasco against Sassuolo.
 

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