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[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++


Yes he is a very successful manager but he knows nothing about improving individual players

More blasphemy from our "beloved" denco.

Lets see here. How about players such as Chivu, Cassano, Dacourt, and Mancini at Roma. I mean did they just come onto the scene and light up Serie A without any help from the manager?

How about Zlatan, and the revivals of Camoranesi, Pessotto, and Zalayeta? I mean how were they doing last season denco, especially Camoranesi? How about basically rejuvenating the entire defense with only Cannavaro and Zebina being brought in? But oh yeah that's right, Capello knows nothing about improving individual players.

Camoranesi, Mancini, Cassano, Dacourt, Chivu, Ibrahimovic, the list goes on buddy. Not sure what you're talking about really.

 

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[simpson-juvefan]

I agree with andy, I think Cap has helped many players in juventus and also at roma and improved their play.

 

[denco]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


More blasphemy from our "beloved" denco.

Lets see here. How about players such as Chivu, Cassano, Dacourt, and Mancini at Roma. I mean did they just come onto the scene and light up Serie A without any help from the manager?

How about Zlatan, and the revivals of Camoranesi, Pessotto, and Zalayeta? I mean how were they doing last season denco, especially Camoranesi? How about basically rejuvenating the entire defense with only Cannavaro and Zebina being brought in? But oh yeah that's right, Capello knows nothing about improving individual players.

Camoranesi, Mancini, Cassano, Dacourt, Chivu, Ibrahimovic, the list goes on buddy. Not sure what you're talking about really.

Do you have any idea what you talk about at all before you bleat? Chivu? How did he improve Chivu as a player? What is Zlatan doing now , that he didnt used to do at Ajax? Has he stopped trying the impossible with 3 quarters of the season gone? Mancini, I am not sure what you mean as you had never seen Mancini prior to Roma. Cassano is a law upon himself, Capello never made him a better player, he always has the talent, its whether his head is right is the problem, I am talking about improving a player, doing something he never used to do, Dacourt was very good at Leeds so stop talking rubbish.
Camoranesi is not a better player, he is just having a consistent season, he does not cross better, he does not go faster

You say Capello has improved our defence by bringing in 2 players, well Mr, how many players do u need to bring if you play with 4 at the back?

We only had one bad season defensively and thats because we were playing with Iuliano, Montero, Ferrara and Leggrotagliea

I would have given Capello credit, if he actually improved these players but Montero is still bad .

Did you say Pessotto has been revived? What from and where to?
Zalayeta is what he is and what he will always be, reliable, solid and nothing to do with Capello

He was scoring constantly in coppia and scored the goal that knocked out Barcelona under Lippi so don't make out like he has improved under Capello, he is just been played more

Want an example of a manager who knows how to get the best outta players look no further than Mourinho, and cases of Lampard now being an all rouder, we all knew he could go forward but now he can defend, look at Cole and how he has changed to the extent that Ericksson is glad

Can you name me any Juve player who has improved that much to the benefit of his country?

Ask Arsenal players and what Wenger did for them?

And enough with the "englishman" nonsense cos i find it offensive as you will not say some one is supporting Nigerian or Ghanian league beos they are black would ya? So enuff already with that crap
You think Epl is overrated thats your beeswax but recent results prove they are not as bad as you and some others who think they know what they are talking about.

 

[Shenanigans]

uhhhhhh its pretty obvious capello has helped many players.

how about your beloved DEL PIERO HAHAHAHAA???¬?!?!?!?

yes he improved him by benching him hahaha. when he came back he did a backheel goal and so on.

camoranesi has definitely improved a lot.

but was youre missing here is the MACRO level. youre lookin at the players separately, thats the MICRO level. have a look at the bigger picture. yes, thats called....THE MACRO LEVEL!

 

[Bjerknes]

denco: You seem to be switching back and forth between arguements. First of all, Capello usually gets the most out of his players, and you can look no further than Roma in your quest for knowledge. Capello, even though they came up second last year, certainly got the most out of his players- Mancini, Cassano, and Chivu most notebly. Do you think it's easy for players to move to a new enviornment, culture, atmosphere, and football style like Mancini, Chivu, and Ibrahimovic have done over the past few years? Of course not, that takes some coaching.

Yes, Cassano has always been a talent, however when did he have his breakout season? Last year with Capello.

This year it's the same story. Compare our side to Milan's and Inter and tell me what you think about the quality we posess. We are miles behind the quality of Milan and I'm not even sure we have as many quality players as Inter for that matter. And where are we? Right at the top of the table, level on points with Milan. How can you say he does not get everything out of our players? To me that's just nonsense.

Capello has improved the play of Camoranesi this season and arguably Zebina when look at his performances last term. Ibrahimovic has settled nicely in Italy, something not all players are able to do when switching enviornments. And not to mention we have coped very well without Nedved and Trezeguet for about half the season, two very important players obviously. So I think you are wrong when you say Capello does not get everything out of his players. If he didn't, we would not be level on points with Milan at this stage of the season. Look at all their quality..

Capello might not be as good as Mourinho at improving players, however he certainly is not that far behind.

And alright, sorry if you were offended by that. I don't think you're familiar with my reasoning behind the EPL being overated, probably because you have not been to the US. Not your fault.

 

[simpson-juvefan]

Liverpool lost today against Manchester city!

 

[Lilianna]

indeed!! :extatic:

 

[Qaterminator]

yeah......FORZA MAN CITY

 

[JCK]

Well Man City scored a goal in the 90th minute

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
I have not read through the posts and frankly i wont even bother

Lets just go back to some threads like Epl, overrated is it not?

Lets see Juve are neck and neck in serieA lead miles ahead of anyone else in serieA the supposed big daddy of them all , the big whopper of leagues and while the over rated so and so league which to some ppl should be behind the outer mongolian league has a team like Liverpool who are lets face it light years away from the likes of Chelsea, Man united and Arsenal and in fact have lost both home and away to Man united and 3 times to Chelsea

They also had Cisse, Harmann, Alonso, Morientes, Josemi, Pellegrino, Pongol, Mellor, Dudek to name some players missing

And they go and outplay us totally in the first half?

I ask you , how can a midfield comprising of Biscan, Garcia, Riise, Le tallec and Gerrard just dominate us like that?

To add insult unto injury, Liverpool had played 2 international matches and a game and we had 2 weeks off and still played shite.

I said serieA was overrated , so was la liga but i was told it was a weak argument against the thread Epl , overrated?

You hear misinformed or read rather misinformed ppl come on here and tell us how bad Ferdinant et all are at defending when these guys weak in weak out face pace and power

Look at how Thuram was made to look foolish in the first half by the cunning and pace of Baros and continually being beaten in the air by 6th choice striker Le Tallec

Zebina should not be playing for Juve, and Blasi is just really an embarassment and i am pretty sure if he was from another country , he would get more stick than Appiah as he is worse than Appiah all things being equal.

As far as I am concerned , whatever happens, I would like Capello to go after this season as he has added nothing to this side

Yes he is a very successful manager but he knows nothing about improving individual players

He has had all season to improve Zlatan's finishing, dealing with crosses at the back, huge gaps in the midfield when we are being attacked, Blasi's awfulness and so on and he has done nothing about it

How can you in the quarter final of a competition we are all dying to win, still opt for Blasi and then repace him with Pessotto when we were 2 goals down

Trez came on for Dp and in 30 minutes touched the ball twice against a team playing with a 19 year old goal keeper and it was clear all Liverpool's exertions in the first half had caught up with them, and we did little to go for the draw or even a win to a side we should be beating or are we just seriously overrated?

The newspapers over here and in fact the press in general always feel the Italian teams are classy and all that and seem to think everyone who plays for an Italian team is automatically good but that aint so

Too many playes in this squad not good enough , they could win anything this season but they dont just inspire with their play

So with Chelsea beating Bayern

The Epl are sitting in one corner, mike in hand, shades on eyes asking those on here How do you like me now?

Interesting post. If Chelsea win it this season that should be an end to the overrated EPL discussion. Like it or dont but anyone who is still talking about it like its miles behind the others are just a plain fool.

Dont agree with you on Capello though, he's a great coach who has your team sitting top of the league and in a good place to reach the CL quarter finals. Whos going to replace him and do any better with that squad?

 

[Azzurri7]

Kurv, Open the Juventus-L'pool Thread...

 

[JCK]

You start one yourself. He will close this one afterwards

 

[- vOnAm -]

DEnco, I think what u wrote was pretty stupid:

1. Liverpool didn't outclass US they were merely had better match fitness(mentaly and physically) coz we didn't play in two weeks, which actually is BAD not GOOD.
Again, Thuram losing out in th early minutes n all that, is DUE to the fact we had to much rest.

2. Working on finishing is not as EASY as it seems, if you play football a lot ull know that it's not a matter of Technique, but more Mental composure, and it can't be easily taught, Zlatan will just have to learn to do it with time.

3. Capello is a great coach, his reaction tactifcs at half time was right on. He dominated 60 minutes of that game, liverpool the first 30 minutes. I think Juve just didn't seem like a draw was needed and seeing how we played, we are more than capable of a 1-0 win.

4. EPL? It is good entertainment but it is overrated because commentators like from ESPN continually run out of Superlatives for the teams and league, they praise it like there's no better league, and I think EPL is not close to being the toughest league in the world. And If you think Chelsea represents EPL's performanceand class, then may be you think the Bundesliga was the best league because Bayern won it and was continuallly performing well?

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++


Interesting post. If Chelsea win it this season that should be an end to the overrated EPL discussion. Like it or dont but anyone who is still talking about it like its miles behind the others are just a plain fool.

Nobody on this forum at least is talking about the EPL being behind the Serie A or La Liga because it's not anymore. However, from my perspective at least, it still is overated. This notion of mine mostly stems from my experiances as a football fan here in the US, where the EPL is the most talked about league besides the MLS. Also the English language factor has something to do with it as well.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++
4. EPL? It is good entertainment but it is overrated because commentators like from ESPN continually run out of Superlatives for the teams and league, they praise it like there's no better league, and I think EPL is not close to being the toughest league in the world. And If you think Chelsea represents EPL's performanceand class, then may be you think the Bundesliga was the best league because Bayern won it and was continuallly performing well?

Furthermore, the Serie has three teams in the Quarterfinals while England only has two. Does that say anything?

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Nobody on this forum at least is talking about the EPL being behind the Serie A or La Liga

Funny I could point out countless examples.

And please. Your telling me your reasoning for your negativity towards the EPL is because its overrated? Your favourite sports brand is probably overrated, your favourite musician is probably overrated. Think about it before you post such fecal matter.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++


Funny I could point out countless examples.

And please. Your telling me your reasoning for your negativity towards the EPL is because its overrated? Your favourite sports brand is probably overrated, your favourite musician is probably overrated. Think about it before you post such fecal matter.

Shame you are making little sense. Is there a standard for something being overated? Is there documentation and records kept of things that are overated? Is there a committee that decides what is overated or not? Fvck no. It's your own opinion whether something is overated or not. It's your own interpretation of the matter, your own perspective, your own opinion. And you probably have the slightest idea about what I'm talking about because you're a fan of the topic and experianced nothing of what I have seen. Yes the EPL is on par with Serie A and La Liga, however with it's propaganda being spewed across the world like it's the paramount establishment of sporting culture, you sort of get sick of it. Unless you have become possessed by the "powers at be"...

 

[jaecole]

Before this gets even more off topic..

Propaganda across the world? Funny Ive been in many countries and Ive only found America to be EPL 'possessed' and that was hardly possession considering its supported by such a minority. Your making this into something it isnt.

Experienced nothing of what you've seen? Please dont be silly. I live in England, I can guarantee to you now that the amount of English that claim the EPL to the be the greatest thing in the world will double what you know ten fold. If I was to let that get to me the way you do I wouldnt be able to support it anymore.

So what have you seen? Do you know what its like in Italy? Well its exactly the same. You'll find everyone in Rome talking about it like its godly. Does that mean if you go to Italy you will start hating the 'overrated' Italian league? Or is it ok because you like it? Didnt you even consider this at any point?

Thats just how it is Andy, your lucky that you dont get that I guess. But think about it, that as a reason for hating a league really is silly.

Many reasons to bash the EPL, how well its rated in America is hardly one of them on an international forum. But do it if you want, I was just trying to figure it out.

Hopefully you get my point if I even have one. I guess if you visit Italy or England one day you'll see what I mean.

 

[ZhiXin]

++ [ originally posted by simpson-juvefan ] ++
Liverpool lost today against Manchester city!

++ [ originally posted by Lilianna ] ++
indeed!! :extatic:

It's nothing to be happy about. I'm sure they will be more than enthusiatic to defeat us. Unless our defence improve and we have an attack that performed against Fiorentina, I don't see us defeating Pool any day.

 

[Febrina]

++ [ originally posted by ZhiXin ] ++

It's nothing to be happy about. I'm sure they will be more than enthusiatic to defeat us. Unless our defence improve and we have an attack that performed against Fiorentina, I don't see us defeating Pool any day.

It's just me or it seems that we're getting tired, and lack of spirit in our performance :frown: