That can happen. But that was not that terrible if you are looking whole game.
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[CL FINAL] JUVENTUS 1-4 Real Madrid [3rd June, 2017] (27 Viewers)
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When the midfield is playing like wet noodles 2nd half, that means more pressure on our defense and no response/help from our midfield.
I really dont blame our defense. Sure, there were some lucky/unlucky moments but hey, thats the thing, one of the goals was a Khedira (MIDFIELDER) deflection shot.
Id say 2nd half all of Pjanic, Khedira and Marchisio were useless. Marchisio has gone backward this season and is a concern. Khedira cant last full season and play great. Khedira, Mandzu and Higuain were our most minutes played players this season.
And against team like Real who has Kroos-Modric-Casemiro, our 2 man midfield wasnt enough, thats why game was so open also first half, we didnt really control the game, im pretty sure Allegri wasnt actually happy despite the scoreline after HT. It was open match first half and our response now is that, what happened half time, but first half was actually end to end stuff. We didnt really control defensively the midfield at all. I dont think Allegri plan was to have such open match, what you think? Seems logical isnt it.
And i think its possible after HT conservatism kicked in, and we thought lets sit back and keep it more tight. But Real put immense pressure on and we couldnt manage it. Which is also partly cause we lack physical side in our midfield to fight back. Pjanic is a creative player not a bully. Khedira will get injured if he has to be more physically involved.
I really dont blame our defense. Sure, there were some lucky/unlucky moments but hey, thats the thing, one of the goals was a Khedira (MIDFIELDER) deflection shot.
Id say 2nd half all of Pjanic, Khedira and Marchisio were useless. Marchisio has gone backward this season and is a concern. Khedira cant last full season and play great. Khedira, Mandzu and Higuain were our most minutes played players this season.
And against team like Real who has Kroos-Modric-Casemiro, our 2 man midfield wasnt enough, thats why game was so open also first half, we didnt really control the game, im pretty sure Allegri wasnt actually happy despite the scoreline after HT. It was open match first half and our response now is that, what happened half time, but first half was actually end to end stuff. We didnt really control defensively the midfield at all. I dont think Allegri plan was to have such open match, what you think? Seems logical isnt it.
And i think its possible after HT conservatism kicked in, and we thought lets sit back and keep it more tight. But Real put immense pressure on and we couldnt manage it. Which is also partly cause we lack physical side in our midfield to fight back. Pjanic is a creative player not a bully. Khedira will get injured if he has to be more physically involved.
I guess we're in the second tier alongside atletico. Ramos was right when he compared us to atletico. The irony is we never played our normal game lol. It's sad really. I just think had we tighten things up and not always push forward or play stupid long balls to burggy then we could've controlled the compsure. Anyway all said and done the battle was lost in midfield. We truly got bullied by kroos Modric casemiro and Ramos. Fuck this game was so badly lost tactically that it's embarrassing. Also of course mentally too. As allegri our it, we truly let our guard down. This has to be our worst performance I just don't like the fact it was in final. As for the whole tired excuses then that's pathetic there was plenty of time to rest, we should have just let them all go on a weeks holiday.
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Not sure what you mean by tightening up. I think one of the issues is that this midfield system (2 mids vs reals 3 mids) just doesnt have enough defensive cover. I think its lame to just suggest that our defenders should have done better. We could have done with a Vidal type of midfielder today who would have put tackles and run around full of energy and not afraid to bully the opponent. Pjanic is not that player, he is more creativity, but it was hard game for him cause he had to basically win the ball on his own. Khedira didnt help at all, and if Khedira doesnt have that physical side, then here we are now.
Or think the times when Pirlo was playing next to a DM. Pirlo purpose was to make the creative pass and his partner, be it Gattuso, De Rossi, Ambrosini or Vidal later in career, would bring the physical side and stamina in that sense. Instead we have a Khedira who cant even last 90 mins.
Im talking here about the very best side comparisons. Gattuso wasnt the best player ever was right, but he had lot of passion and physical impact which made up for it. Khedira didnt have neither tonight.
This is smth to think about. Im starting to think now that we should indeed move Khedira to MLS. Pjanic is younger and his objective is to be creative. But needs that physical/defensive partner in there someone.
Or think the times when Pirlo was playing next to a DM. Pirlo purpose was to make the creative pass and his partner, be it Gattuso, De Rossi, Ambrosini or Vidal later in career, would bring the physical side and stamina in that sense. Instead we have a Khedira who cant even last 90 mins.
Im talking here about the very best side comparisons. Gattuso wasnt the best player ever was right, but he had lot of passion and physical impact which made up for it. Khedira didnt have neither tonight.
This is smth to think about. Im starting to think now that we should indeed move Khedira to MLS. Pjanic is younger and his objective is to be creative. But needs that physical/defensive partner in there someone.
Messi missed a couple of sitters. Buffon made an unbelievable save against Iniesta in the first leg as well as a couple of great saves against Suarez over both legs. Those would have made a huge diff.
The reason we stayed composed in those games was because we never really went behind. Today it was pretty much 4 chances 4 goals. After the second it was mentally game over.
The reason we stayed composed in those games was because we never really went behind. Today it was pretty much 4 chances 4 goals. After the second it was mentally game over.
Hahahah 10/10
This thing is funny. I walked from Toowong to the city and now I'm on my way back in the ferry. Laughing the whole time. This thing is unbelievable. The way I look at juventus has changed. What was that in the beginning of the second half? Hahaha really? It seemed we didn't know what to do and defaulted into that utterly wired ass "absorb pressure" phase. Well guess what? They scored. A lucky goal. But why wasn't it us pressuring them? We knew we can. Hell we did it 45 menuits earier, and we looked superior doing it. There are no good excuses. Someone's head should be sucrfised for this, if I am to watch juventus again. All I can do is laugh at life. Man, to witness Real's youngsters enjoy this when our veterans struggle for years. The way I look at Italians has changed after this. Defeatist mentality.
This thing is funny. I walked from Toowong to the city and now I'm on my way back in the ferry. Laughing the whole time. This thing is unbelievable. The way I look at juventus has changed. What was that in the beginning of the second half? Hahaha really? It seemed we didn't know what to do and defaulted into that utterly wired ass "absorb pressure" phase. Well guess what? They scored. A lucky goal. But why wasn't it us pressuring them? We knew we can. Hell we did it 45 menuits earier, and we looked superior doing it. There are no good excuses. Someone's head should be sucrfised for this, if I am to watch juventus again. All I can do is laugh at life. Man, to witness Real's youngsters enjoy this when our veterans struggle for years. The way I look at Italians has changed after this. Defeatist mentality.
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