Yes because other La Liga teams had 2-3 Nesta's in their teams until 2006, and then suddenly every defense became shit.
At the same age, messi scored a third of that, despite beeing at barcelona for 3 years
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Pre injury ronaldo had 47 goals in 49 games aged 20 at barcelona. It was his first season in a big league
At the same age, messi scored a third of that, despite beeing at barcelona for 3 years
At the same age, messi scored a third of that, despite beeing at barcelona for 3 years
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You are right. I am done after this 
You're just so ridiculous it's amusing.
Cristiano's goals don't result in wins? 2 CL titles, and 4 league titles aren't trophies? Could have fooled me. Again you argue with facts. You're good at that.
You say he doesn't step up in big games. Well, holding the record for CL knockout goals clearly proves another lie on your part. 39 CL knockout goals. Argue that. Please.
You're still completely ignoring the fact Cristiano provides as many assists as Messi does. You're lying. You say he doesn't pass, he monopolizes the ball, he ignores his teammates. You've clearly rarely watched him play. 29 friggin assists in a year and a half says that he frequently passes the ball in attack. My god. Ignore facts a little harder. If he shoots everytime how the fuck does he have 29 assists. This is so absurdly retarded an argument you're making that I don't even know how to respond to it. You say statistics don't mean anything, and that I should watch the games... but I clearly do, and you clearly don't, otherwise you would see Cristiano frequently creating goalscoring chances for teammates, hence the 29 assists, and it's not like his teammates finish every chance he provides them. The assist stat just backs up what I'm arguing, and completely proves your statement to be a steaming pile of bullshit.
Aside from this, Messi plays with far superior attackers right now. Neymar and Suarez. Meaning more space is made for him in attack, defenses can't key in on him as much as they can with Cristiano, or Neymar and Suarez beat them with the space left over, and that Messi has better teammates to finish off chances he provides.
And your last point is just stupid. No sane person would chose Ronaldo over Messi? Yes because Cheesio is God, and his opinion is all that matters and speaks for every sane person on the planet. FFS, you're ridiculous about this subject.
I've already stated I think Messi is the better player. So has DP84. But the margin is tiny, nowhere near the vast gulf you suggest is between them. So yes, I'd choose Messi to start a team, obviously, because he's slightly better.
God, fanboys are infuriating.
Osman was ignoring facts too, but he doesn't go on quite the laughable rampage about it that Cheesio does. It's quite obvious that neither one of them watches Cristiano play often, which makes sense, seeing as they're probably watching Messi and Barca play as they are most certainly fanboys of Messi. But to then pretend they have this superior knowledge about Cristiano's game and argue right in the face of facts is pretty damn amusing. Infuriating too, but amusing nevertheless.
Even @Fred has some commonsense here, which I must admit I found surprising from our resident rich boy.
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Yep. Ronaldo came into a Real Madrid team that hadn't progressed past CL Round of 16 in a half-dozen years. Messi came into a dominant Barcelona that won La Liga his first two years, and did a double with the CL his second year, when he was a rotation player off the bench and played in less than half their games. He came into a team where he had little pressure to start, and could learn from Ronaldinho who won Ballon D'Or in Messi's first year, and led Barca to CL glory the second year. A much better situation, and superior team to be thrust into.
Even @Fred has some commonsense here, which I must admit I found surprising from our resident rich boy.
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Yep. Ronaldo came into a Real Madrid team that hadn't progressed past CL Round of 16 in a half-dozen years. Messi came into a dominant Barcelona that won La Liga his first two years, and did a double with the CL his second year, when he was a rotation player off the bench and played in less than half their games. He came into a team where he had little pressure to start, and could learn from Ronaldinho who won Ballon D'Or in Messi's first year, and led Barca to CL glory the second year. A much better situation, and superior team to be thrust into.
ronaldo has been progressed incredibly after joined to real
messi is exceeding ronaldo level when you compare them by age messi has been better than ronaldo from the past until now when ronaldo was man utd player and messi was playing in barca
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ronaldo has been progressed incredibly after joined to real
messi is exceeding ronaldo level when you compare them by age messi has been better than ronaldo from the past until now when ronaldo was man utd player and messi was playing in barca
messi is exceeding ronaldo level when you compare them by age messi has been better than ronaldo from the past until now when ronaldo was man utd player and messi was playing in barca
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ronaldo has been progressed incredibly after joined to real
messi is exceeding ronaldo level when you compare them by age messi has been better than ronaldo from the past until now when ronaldo was man utd player and messi was playing in barca
Ronaldo tore apart brazil, got to holland and tore that apart, went to barcelona, first year in a major league wich football who still had butchers, tore that absolutely apart, went to inter and tore legendary defenders apart and actually won them trophee's. Any brazillian will call his career alot of "could have been" because he was a different player after that injury, and he was too good that he wasent motivated to self improve.
Messi took several years at barcelona and significant older age before he began to pull similar numbers to ronaldo in a MUCH better barcelona team, playing in a MUCH, MUCH defensively inferior era.
Ronaldo il fenomeno was more talented then messi, and managed to score the amount of goals him and christiano scored, at much earlyer age, in much harder circumstances.
You can call Messi and Christiano levels above the rest today, and you'd be right, but dont compare to several legends from the past.
Messi took several years at barcelona and significant older age before he began to pull similar numbers to ronaldo in a MUCH better barcelona team, playing in a MUCH, MUCH defensively inferior era.
Ronaldo il fenomeno was more talented then messi, and managed to score the amount of goals him and christiano scored, at much earlyer age, in much harder circumstances.
You can call Messi and Christiano levels above the rest today, and you'd be right, but dont compare to several legends from the past.
I think the point that people often fail to see is that the legends/very best players of every era are probably very similar in terms of ability and dominance.
The differences in stats are quite often down to the way the game is played, tactics that are emphasized, how the referees whistle games.
It's pretty obvious today's game has been shaped to allow for more offense. Goals sell tickets. UEFA understand this. Defensive play and injuries to star players do not. The stars are far more protected than they have ever been in the past, and the rules cater to them dominating games far better than any time in the past.
It's also pretty obvious that the best players in world football are much more likely to leave their clubs for bigger teams and more money, and that these Barcelona and Madrid teams are the most expensive, and most stacked teams ever assembled.
Which makes it also very obvious why the two best attackers of the current era are so statistically superior to the best attackers of past eras.
The differences in stats are quite often down to the way the game is played, tactics that are emphasized, how the referees whistle games.
It's pretty obvious today's game has been shaped to allow for more offense. Goals sell tickets. UEFA understand this. Defensive play and injuries to star players do not. The stars are far more protected than they have ever been in the past, and the rules cater to them dominating games far better than any time in the past.
It's also pretty obvious that the best players in world football are much more likely to leave their clubs for bigger teams and more money, and that these Barcelona and Madrid teams are the most expensive, and most stacked teams ever assembled.
Which makes it also very obvious why the two best attackers of the current era are so statistically superior to the best attackers of past eras.
Defenders these days are more cautious when they make a challenge. Even if they get to the ball first, hitting the player afterwards will result with a freekick and sometimes a yellow card. Pussy football. Back then if you got to the ball first no one gave a damn what happened afterwards. Pretty sure '98 Ale would be well on his way to score 35-40 goals in today's conditions.
People underestimate how much this helps for consistency too. People say Messi and Cristiano have been doing this for years, and players in the past weren't as consistent... That's often because players in the past had to deal with hard tackles, knocks, lingering injuries, multiple little injuries that they played through, etc.
It's much easier to be consistent year in and year out, when you aren't suffering dangerous tackles every single game you play, and constant niggling injuries.
To stop Messi u have to have people double and triple up on him. To stop Ronaldo u just need to cut the service to him and he is ineffective. Ronaldo puts out very good numbers but most of his goals are lets say simpler goals.
As a footballer Messi is miles ahead of Ronaldo but numbers wise in recent seasons I think Ronaldo is ahead. I dont think it's even a competition to say who is better but Ronaldo has done well to make the Balon d'or into a goal scoring competition to close the gap in most people's eyes.
I would rate Suarez higher than Ronaldo, the difference he makes to that Barcelona team is under rated.
As a footballer Messi is miles ahead of Ronaldo but numbers wise in recent seasons I think Ronaldo is ahead. I dont think it's even a competition to say who is better but Ronaldo has done well to make the Balon d'or into a goal scoring competition to close the gap in most people's eyes.
I would rate Suarez higher than Ronaldo, the difference he makes to that Barcelona team is under rated.
Thats quite an accurate statement
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So what you are actually saying, is that barcelona's team is so much better then real's, so that you cant cut off the feed to messi, so you'll have to mark him instead, while with real you can just cut off the feed.
Kinda agree. Wich is why we see a different messi at argentina.
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So what you are actually saying, is that barcelona's team is so much better then real's, so that you cant cut off the feed to messi, so you'll have to mark him instead, while with real you can just cut off the feed.
Kinda agree. Wich is why we see a different messi at argentina.
Ye he will obviously play better for Barcelona than Argentina. That front 3 are on a different level to any attack I have ever seen. Their midfield is quite strong as well as we seen in the CL final.
To get the best out of Messi I think he has to have players around him that know exactly what he's going to do. At Argentina he has players around him that that just aren't on the same wave length as him imo.
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The difference between them though in my opinion is Barcelona is built around Messi so he can carry them on his own at times. Real Madrid is build around Ronaldo to score as many goals as possible.
When Real Madrid run into an organised team that can also give them trouble Ronaldo just does not get the service so it's as if he's not even on the pitch.
To get the best out of Messi I think he has to have players around him that know exactly what he's going to do. At Argentina he has players around him that that just aren't on the same wave length as him imo.
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The difference between them though in my opinion is Barcelona is built around Messi so he can carry them on his own at times. Real Madrid is build around Ronaldo to score as many goals as possible.
When Real Madrid run into an organised team that can also give them trouble Ronaldo just does not get the service so it's as if he's not even on the pitch.
Cristiano impacts the game every bit as much. Which is perfectly reflected in the stats. Both are pure offensive players. You can actually directly measure their contribution by looking at their end product. Which, basically, is the same.
Oh and dude? Have some pride. Don't just repeat what you hear a commentator paid to glorify Barcelona say.
Oh and dude? Have some pride. Don't just repeat what you hear a commentator paid to glorify Barcelona say.
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