[CL] Champions League 2015/2016 (41 Viewers)

[Bianconero_Aus]

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[Albo]

Sturaro to fuck that fucking little bitch named Vidal,pls rape him hard .

 

[Hist]

No.

Conte's 2012 Juve had much more momentum thats for sure. It was our first CL experience coming off the back of an unbeaten legendary season and we topped a tough group destroying Chelsea and Celtic, and defeating a very good Shakhtar. We were undefeated in Europe too up until that bayern match. I remember Mourinho saying Juve was one the scariest teams that season. This was the height of Conte's reign. Bayern broke us mentally that season.

Compare this to a Juve who just had one of its worst starts in Serie A in its history and who lost to Valencia and couldn't beat Munchengladbach. We have much less momentum going in now. Again the difference here is that this Bayern is beatable because they have a glaring weakness in the face of counter attacking teams. The old Bayern were perfect and they stormed through every team in Europe including a very good Barca.

 

[lgorTudor]

Goalkeeper
Juventus > Bayern
Defense
Juventus > Bayern
CM
Juventus > Bayern
AM
Bayern > Juventus
Forwards
Bayern = Juventus

Coach
Juventus >> Bayern


We outclass them on almost all positions thus we will clearly win and advance into QF.

 

[Knowah]

Conte's Juve was better and so was Heynckes' Bayern. The difference is, we know what the main weakness of a Guardiola team while no one knew what to do against Heynckes. We have a chance if we play proper counter attacking football.

lolwut

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Goalkeeper
Juventus > Bayern
Defense
Juventus > Bayern
CM
Juventus > Bayern
AM
Bayern > Juventus
Forwards
Bayern = Juventus

Coach
Juventus >> Bayern


We outclass them on almost all positions thus we will clearly win and advance into QF.

Goaltender - debateable at best. Buffon is goat but Neuer is Neuer.
Defense - Juve, no contest.
Midfield - Bayern by a fair margin. Even with an in-form Pogba.
Attack - Bayern, not even close. Dybala/Mandzukic has been great but Lewandowski/Costa? Completely out of this world.
Manager - Juve, by a fair margin.
Bench - Bayern by a little bit.

Just my opinion.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Conte's 2012 Juve had much more momentum thats for sure. It was our first CL experience coming off the back of an unbeaten legendary season and we topped a tough group destroying Chelsea and Celtic, and defeating a very good Shakhtar. We were undefeated in Europe too up until that bayern match. I remember Mourinho saying Juve was one the scariest teams that season. This was the height of Conte's reign. Bayern broke us mentally that season.

Compare this to a Juve who just had one of its worst starts in Serie A in its history and who lost to Valencia and couldn't beat Munchengladbach. We have much less momentum going in now. Again the difference here is that this Bayern is beatable because they have a glaring weakness in the face of counter attacking teams. The old Bayern were perfect and they stormed through every team in Europe including a very good Barca.

so beating City twice is worse than beating Shakhtar and celtic? come on...
i give you chelsea though...destroying celtic?
did you watch the game? the result was good - thats all,
but we were far from destroying them.

we started badly? true. but we had a lot of new players to include and a lot of injuries aswell.
all that matters is we are doing fine now.

btw. bayern recently lost 3:1 against gladbach.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Are we forgetting about how we drew with Nordsjelland or whatever the fucked they're called? We didn't look convincing until the Chelsea home game.

 

[DAiDEViL]

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Goaltender - debateable at best. Buffon is goat but Neuer is Neuer.
Defense - Juve, no contest.
Midfield - Bayern by a fair margin. Even with an in-form Pogba.
Attack - Bayern, not even close. Dybala/Mandzukic has been great but Lewandowski/Costa? Completely out of this world.
Manager - Juve, by a fair margin.
Bench - Bayern by a little bit.

Just my opinion.

@Bianconero_Aus


Costa out of this world?
their mid better than ours?

 

[Zacheryah]

Bayern is a big team.

But its time to stop overrating costa and crapandowski.


Lets make it happen that its one of those days, he literally misses everything.

Like supposed to be on the field in the first place

 

[Ventus]

This is what happens when you finish second I'm afraid. However you know what? I think we can do it. The fact we play home first plays in our favor IMO. I also don't rate Guardiola as much as other people do on this forum. If we grab a narrow win in the first leg I think we can edge it.

ps

it would be awesome to see Mandzukic knock out Bayern lol

 

[Knowah]

@Bianconero_Aus


Costa out of this world?
their mid better than ours?

Yes, Douglas Costa has been amazing for them in creating and going forward. I like how you don't even speak of Lewandowski because, yes, just mentioning him invalidates your point concerning their attack being better than ours.

As for midfield, well, let's be ojective here. By February when we and they should/could be healthy. Vidal (healthy, worldclass), Robben (when healthy, worldclass), Thiago (very very good), Martinez (very very good), Gotze (worldclass when healthy and in-form, not been there yet this year), Xabi (decent, equal to Khedira/Asamoah when healthy), Muller (worldclass) vs. Pogba (worldclass when in-form this year, been inconsistent), Marchisio (son of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ), Sturaro (promising but only decent at this point), Khedira (hurt but good when not), Asamoah (see Khedira), Lemina (decent when healthy). I mean, we're struggling to get 3 midfielders on the pitch and you're telling me we're stronger than a Bayern with a healthy Vidal, Thiago, Muller, Costa, and Xabi in midfield?

Are you serious?

 

[rndmlgnd]

Being the underdog suits us as we've seen last year, and with Cuadrado and Dybala in the side I'd say our counter-attacks are even better this season.

Bayern isn't the kind of team to underestimate opponents. They're very, very good but not as good as 2013 Bayern which was better even than 2015 Barcelona.

 

[Ocelot]

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Goaltender - debateable at best. Buffon is goat but Neuer is Neuer.
Defense - Juve, no contest.
Midfield - Bayern by a fair margin. Even with an in-form Pogba.
Attack - Bayern, not even close. Dybala/Mandzukic has been great but Lewandowski/Costa? Completely out of this world.
Manager - Juve, by a fair margin.
Bench - Bayern by a little bit.

Just my opinion.

Okay if we're being serious at this, Bayern outclasses us at every position except defense. And in terms of attacking midfields & attack, badly.

Coach is even in terms of a knockout meeting.

But luckily for us, these position-for-position comparisons don't mean jack shit.

 

[rndmlgnd]

Our so-called "best defense in Europe" has been rather faulty this season. They're still great, but I believe only Bonucci isn't past his peak yet.

 

[DAiDEViL]

As for midfield, well, let's be ojective here. By February when we and they should/could be healthy. Vidal (healthy, worldclass), Robben (when healthy, worldclass), Thiago (very very good), Martinez (very very good), Gotze (worldclass when healthy and in-form, not been there yet this year), Xabi (decent, equal to Khedira/Asamoah when healthy), Muller (worldclass) vs. Pogba (worldclass when in-form this year, been inconsistent), Marchisio (son of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ), Sturaro (promising but only decent at this point), Khedira (hurt but good when not), Asamoah (see Khedira), Lemina (decent when healthy). I mean, we're struggling to get 3 midfielders on the pitch and you're telling me we're stronger than a Bülayersayern with a healthyhave a ton of Vidal, Thiago, Muller, Costa, and Xabi in midfield?

we were talking midfielders.

*Robben, Costa, Müller aren‘t midfielders.
...Martinez plays CB when he plays.

*why compare müller with pogba

*we play a midfield 3 at the moment,

so it is Marchisio-Pogba-Khedira vs. Vidal-Alonso-Thiago
and i just dont see why their 3 are supposed to be so much better than ours.

Marchisio > Xabi (we are in 2015)
Pogba = Thiago
Khedira < Vidal

also you dont have to compare the entire squad because you are only allowed
to field 11 players at once. i dont care how good götze looks on the bench.

and why didnt i mention lewa? because i agree with you.

 

[Seven]

Bayern is a big team.

But its time to stop overrating costa and crapandowski.


Lets make it happen that its one of those days, he literally misses everything.

Like supposed to be on the field in the first place

Right now Bayern are a better team. But we are not that far behind. And the only way to become better than them is play these games and win them.

In terms of history I say we are equal.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Okay if we're being serious at this, Bayern outclasses us at every position except defense. And in terms of attacking midfields & attack, badly.

because we dont play with attacking mids in the 352?
as you say, these position vs position comparisons don't work if
the playing style is so different.
only thing you can compare are the CM's and the CB's.

 

[Juliano13]

Yeah pretty much what we have to do..one thing with conte was he tried to go head to head with Bayern and beat them at possession by employing the useless 3-5-2..
One thing about Max that is better than conte is his flexibility and now he needs to play a diff system..against the likes of Bayern, we need to be able to absorb and counter while their defence is still getting back, this is when holes will open up..for this we need to be able to play 4-2-3-1 especially at home..pogba and marchisio need to act as stoppers first and foremost, Bayern can NOT score an away goal period..if they don't score we have a great chance of winning in Germany.

I'm sure Allegri will choose a formation we've never played before.

 

[Paid-off-Ref]

We're not getting any result if our sloppy midfield game doesn't improve.

 

[Ocelot]

because we dont play with attacking mids in the 352?
as you say, these position vs position comparisons don't work if
the playing style is so different.
only thing you can compare are the CM's and the CB's.

Exactly ( @j0ker), but those comparisons posted before are overrating us in a cringeworthy manner.

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In terms of history I say we are equal.

Yup, and along with Real & Barca among the very top.

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Why the fuck won't these joker mentions work