[CL] Champions League 2015/2016 (22 Viewers)

[Osman]

There is nothing to get over. It's very very simple. No one was addressing you (because shocking, it's futile). But oh no we can't have that, so you butt in like that ugly crass slut on the dance floor busting extra awful moves because she's not getting any attention, aka trying to impose what you think what anyone can actually discuss. Try this next time you have nothing worthwhile to add to what others say, don't press reply.

 

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[Zacheryah]

There is nothing to get over. It's very very simple. No one was addressing you (because shocking, it's futile). But oh no we can't have that, so you butt in like that ugly crass slut on the dance floor busting extra awful moves because she's not getting any attention, aka trying to impose what you think what anyone can actually discuss. Try this next time you have nothing worthwhile to add to what others say, don't press reply.

Its not that you do this discussion. its that its that it has been happening so much in various threads the past time. No reason to whine about getting asked that.

"attention", says the guy who goes overboard each time there is a racial joke or a negative remark against blacks

 

[Post Ironic]

Perhaps that's because racist jokes aren't funny... just a thought.

 

[Osman]

Stfu, it's really should be not too hard to atleast once get your head out of your ass and stop thinking what you think matters.


Basic result of you: Posters discussing Juventus in different seasons turns into a "ME ME ME" fuckfest of stupidity for the past page, and you wonder why others think you are a worthless cretin of a poster.

 

[Zacheryah]

Perhaps that's because racist jokes aren't funny... just a thought.

Racial and racist jokes, are not really the same thing.

But for an angry man like osman, everything that isnt the way he thinks is an offence and a reason to get angry.

 

[Post Ironic]

Racial and racist jokes, are not really the same thing.

But for an angry man like osman, everything that isnt the way he thinks is an offence and a reason to get angry.

DUde. Comparing black people to monkeys is racist. It's not a racist joke, it's not a joke at all. It's downright racist and offensive. This isn't political correctness, it's common sense.

Where does this comparison come from Zach? It comes from things like Eugenics and Racial superiority theories, it comes from notions of racist white people several centuries ago suggesting black people weren't as evolved, were savages, were beasts just like monkeys or apes. And they were treated as such due to these notions and prevailing public opinion among Caucasians of the time.

So the fact you think it's funny to photoshop bananas into a photograph of a black player with his mouth wide open is just downright offensive and racist. There's no humour in it. Not one iota.

Even more offensive is the fact you insult everyone as some politically correct pussy, or an angry black man (another face palm there), if they disagree with you about this. It has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness, or people being angry, it has to do with the fact it's downright offensive to make jokes about such things that were used to oppress and enslave a race for centuries. And if the roles were reversed and it was whites who had been oppressed for the last 500 years, you being the quick to anger type, would 100% be the "angry white man" you so offensively label others.

I like you. I agree with you on a lot of things, and respect your knowledge and intelligence in a lot of areas, but you're just plain wrong here, and it's incredibly offensive. Empathy. Try it.

 

[Zacheryah]

One should be able to laugh about anything, when its not meant to harm. One must be able to self relativate.
This is how we roll in the benelux.


Yesterday on national tv show, with two belgians of moroccan descend at the start the presentator : "yeah, we got two moroccans and its allready trouble". They laughed their ass off.
source : moroccans in belgian got the stereotype of beeing troublemakers an thieves.

 

[Salvo]

Can we quit the off topic.

 

[Post Ironic]

There's a vast gulf between idealistic notions of being able to laugh about anything, and the reality that some of these things are very offensive to a large number of people. If you don't understand this, well, it's really quite mind-boggling.

If the world was one filled with peace, and no war, exploitation, slavery, racism, etc... sure, we could all make jokes. But it isn't, and those things you are making jokes about were used in reality to enslave, oppress, disenfranchise, rape, murder, etc an entire race.

How the fuck is that funny, under any circumstance, in any context?

There's also a massive gulf between stating Moroccans are troublemakers in Belgium, and making monkey jokes about black people in general. Again, if you don't understand this... :facepalm:

Also, anecdotes about what happened on a tv show, or the black friend who finds your racist jokes funny, mean absolutely nothing. If a large number of the people your joke is about find it offensive and racist, you probably shouldn't fucking make the joke. If you continue to make the jokes knowing they offend and hurt people of the race your making them about, you're acting as a racist. It's that simple.

And it doesn't matter at all if it's "not meant to harm"... That's irrelevant. If it does harm, intent is completely irrelevant. Shut the fuck up with the "racial jokes"... It's not funny. People of the race do find them offensive and hurtful, regardless of your intent, and with good reason. These same notions behind your jokes were used to subjugate and torment their ancestors for hundreds of years. Stop being so fucking callous and disrespectful.

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Can we quit the off topic.

Sure thing. Apologies. Done now.

 

[da_ledgeaun]

Here's how i look at it, the 2013 Juve, had a fantastic MVP which is > then our current, but I also see that we have a more in form attack, as well as Buffon, who is better for me this year compared to that season.
Our defense is about the same, we now have a special lockdown strategy when all 3 are playing. I still think 2 main things that I see makes the Juve Bayern match this time round a more balanced match.
1. We have in form attackers, who score!
2. Bayern are not as great under Pep compared to Heynckes!

So Fino Alla Fine mofu*kers!!!

 

[Post Ironic]

Here's how i look at it, the 2013 Juve, had a fantastic MVP which is > then our current, but I also see that we have a more in form attack, as well as Buffon, who is better for me this year compared to that season.
Our defense is about the same, we now have a special lockdown strategy when all 3 are playing. I still think 2 main things that I see makes the Juve Bayern match this time round a more balanced match.
1. We have in form attackers, who score!
2. Bayern are not as great under Pep compared to Heynckes!

So Fino Alla Fine mofu*kers!!!

 

[Zacheryah]

Can we quit the off topic.

"How dare you say this , because you arent getting enough attention ! "

Sure thing.

 

[Klin]

Vidal

Fuck I miss him so, so much.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Hernanes has made me forget about him.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

In attacking sense (even if Vidal was more deadly) yes, but in defense sense? HUGE HUGE gulf of difference, and the impact it had. Lead by example and set the tempo (as is the way Pirlo lead and made everyone take a breather by taking reigns at any given situation), bullied anything in sight. Pretty much Conte style, made sure everyone just gunho pressed the opposition machine like, dont let them breath.


Dont see that as much now, we drop deeper and are organised, move smart as a unit, Allegri prefers that, more guarded approach with slower tempo over frenzied hounding (but also not his fault Vidal is sold and you get no one that can offer same type of work in midfield, ala Allan or Naingolan etc), cant escape that, we simply lack the aggression and ability to hound and scare ball holders. I mean the best at it for us right now is our box striker Mandzukic, thats not a good sign. Vidal did the work of two players in such a style. Never underestimate that. The ability to be first on lose balls and give minimum amount of seconds on the ball unharassed for your average opposition player.


I will stop rambling and offer a visual aid for this very very important aspect we miss dearly, this a clip of Hernanes facing us from that season:



What do you notice?

look at fucking Vidal, ANIMAL, but also look at all of the players, they were INSTILLED to be terriers in a way we lack now sadly defensively. This aspect is needed much more for CL big games too, and level of quality difference someone like Vidal brings, even he was limping he did more then Khedira is doing in this aspect right now.

We haven't been man-handled and degraded by any team since that Bayern game. And our team now is much more suited for European football, not to mention the fact that Allegri is a better tactician than Conte and doesn't instil the fear of losing in Europe in our players.

Do you remember those timid weak performances in 2013/14? Not just in the CL but the EL as well.

 

[Ocelot]

Our current team is better than 2012.... Our defense is almost the same, except that compare AS and Evra with Peluso and De ceglie is kind of XXXXXXX

If we manage somehow to keep Pereira, Asamoah and Khedira healthy... Our current MF would be in a close level than 2012...

Current Pobga = Vidal 2012
Current Marchisio << Pirlo 2012
Current Khedira < Marchisio 2012

There's not need to compare Vucinic, Quagliarella and Matri with Mandzu, Morata and La Joya

Last but no less, Conte turn head to the bench and cry... Max have options

In 2012, probably, though we didn't face any real top top team that season, but against Bayern in 2013, Pirlo was a liablity tbh.

Don't know why we're comparing this team to 2012 anyways, 2013 would be the only one that would make sense.

Can we stop making everything in a

"i miss vidal, please cut my wrist for me"
or
"conte was so good, i'm still getting erect"

thread ?


seriously....

Can you stop ridiculing any positive thing said about anything that's not Juve?

 

[icemaη]

And calling Lewandowski crapandowski. The man is a machine. Contain Lewa and Muller and we'd have cut our work by half. This is going to be a close round and I think we'll just about manage to sneak through. Provided we don't lose crucial players to injury.

 

[Hist]

Stfu, it's really should be not too hard to atleast once get your head out of your ass and stop thinking what you think matters.


Basic result of you: Posters discussing Juventus in different seasons turns into a "ME ME ME" $#@!fest of stupidity for the past page, and you wonder why others think you are a worthless cretin of a poster.

calma

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In 2012, probably, though we didn't face any real top top team that season, but against Bayern in 2013, Pirlo was a liablity tbh.

Don't know why we're comparing this team to 2012 anyways, 2013 would be the only one that would make sense.



Can you stop ridiculing any positive thing said about anything that's not Juve?

We played them in the 2012 season man. Conte's second season. We won the scudetto in 2011 and in 2012 we did the scudetto and the QF exit to Henyckes' Bayern. 2013 we didn't qualify from the group that had Madrid and Galata

 

[Ocelot]

We played them in the 2012 season man. Conte's second season. We won the scudetto in 2011 and in 2012 we did the scudetto and the QF exit to Henyckes' Bayern. 2013 we didn't qualify from the group that had Madrid and Galata

No, we played them in the 2012/13 season, which I'd call (and is commonly called) the 2013 season. This season is the 2016 season, last one was 2015.

Plus the games against Bayern in question were played in spring 2013.

 

[Seven]

Perhaps that's because racist jokes aren't funny... just a thought.

Sometimes they are though. Usually when they are so openly racist that the guy who makes them is basically saying it's ridiculous to think that way. It's a bit of a postmodern way of commenting on society, which I suppose you should be a big fan of.

Stfu, it's really should be not too hard to atleast once get your head out of your ass and stop thinking what you think matters.


Basic result of you: Posters discussing Juventus in different seasons turns into a "ME ME ME" fuckfest of stupidity for the past page, and you wonder why others think you are a worthless cretin of a poster.

I agree with the both of you. Obviously you have every right to compare Juventus now and Juventus then. But Zach also has a point in saying that perhaps we should get over the fact we sold Vidal. This shit has been going on for months and it is very tiresome.

I feel Zach didn't understand what you were saying though as I think you weren't just talking about Vidal.

Still, there was no need to turn into a bitch.