[CL] Champions League 2014/15 (21 Viewers)

Who do you want us to face in 1/2?

  • Barcelona

  • Real Madrid

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Jul 20, 2012
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Actually, because we are in the semi finals after 12 years.

And I never said we should settle. Players should sweat their balls off against any opponent, let alone in a CL semi/final game. We can do it, I mean, there's a chance. But you being like 'oh, $#@! is won, we are good, they are bad, our players are better' is quite childish really.
Answer this question for me, why should I care what others think of me ? I saw it once, and u act as though i always talk like this
 

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I'd say our CBs are better and our Central Mid 3 are clearly better.

Their front 3 is a country mile ahead of ours though. And their Fullbacks are better.

Buffon vs Ter Stegen. I paid enough attention to him. He doesn't seem to have much to do many matches.
Which makes "our defense is better than them" totally meaningless. In fact, their defense will have a much easier time stopping our attackers than will our defenders stopping their front three. Barca is the scariest team to play with.
 
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    Answer this question for me, why should I care what others think of me ? I saw it once, and u act as though i always talk like this
    Thankfully you aren't.

    I'm just saying if it comes to a Juve - Barca finals then Spaniards are clear favorites. Can we win it? Yeah.

    I guess that's where we differ, cause I surely don't think Juve winning is a 100% thing. Because that's retarded.
     

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    Actually, because we are in the semi finals after 12 years.

    And I never said we should settle. Players should sweat their balls off against any opponent, let alone in a CL semi/final game. We can do it, I mean, there's a chance. But you being like 'oh, $#@! is won, we are good, they are bad, our players are better' is quite childish really.
    I think you're taking him way too seriously.

    I'm pretty sure he's saying it in a fairly lighthearted fashion. He knows we have to win/draw against Real and then beat an incredible opponent in the CL final. But where he is 100% right, and so many of the pessimists are being ridiculous... is that we are on the same level as all of the teams left. We all have advantages, and it's up to who can nullify the others strengths best.

    We have the best defensive record in CL this year. Bayern has the best keeper, and alongside us, the best midfield. Madrid and Barca have by far the most dominant attacks, and very good fullbacks, but weaker midfields, defences and keepers.

    Healthy Bayern is probably the most well-balanced side. And we would definitely place second in terms of well-balanced. Madrid and Barca are immense in their strong positions with the best players in the world, but very lacking in other areas.

    Suggesting we are outclassed by any of these teams left is a silly as AJ saying we are guaranteed to win it, and I'm going to assume his is just a reaction to all the pessimism still prevalent.

    I'm not aiming this at you, or anyone really. Just saying that reality is very much in the middle.
     
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    Which makes "our defense is better than them" totally meaningless. In fact, their defense will have a much easier time stopping our attackers than will our defenders stopping their front three. Barca is the scariest team to play with.
    Our defense is better but their fullbacks are better... really...

    And their speed is incredible, our defense tracking that would be way, way too tough.
     
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    Thankfully you aren't.

    I'm just saying if it comes to a Juve - Barca finals then Spaniards are clear favorites. Can we win it? Yeah.

    I guess that's where we differ, cause I surely don't think Juve winning is a 100% thing. Because that's retarded.
    I totally agree that we will never be favorites regardless of the opponent, bayern or barca. But man we as juve fans take so much shit, we just got to believe man. Of course it isn't guaranteed but hey u go into the game 0-0 and in a one leg tie we have a hell of a chance to win
     
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    I think you're taking him way too seriously.

    I'm pretty sure he's saying it in a fairly lighthearted fashion. He knows we have to win/draw against Real and then beat an incredible opponent in the CL final. But where he is 100% right, and so many of the pessimists are being ridiculous... is that we are on the same level as all of the teams left. We all have advantages, and it's up to who can nullify the others strengths best.

    We have the best defensive record in CL this year. Bayern has the best keeper, and alongside us, the best midfield. Madrid and Barca have by far the most dominant attacks, and very good fullbacks, but weaker midfields, defences and keepers.

    Healthy Bayern is probably the most well-balanced side. And we would definitely place second in terms of well-balanced. Madrid and Barca are immense in their strong positions with the best players in the world, but very lacking in other areas.

    Suggesting we are outclassed by any of these teams left is a silly as AJ saying we are guaranteed to win it, and I'm going to assume his is just a reaction to all the pessimism still prevalent.

    I'm not aiming this at you, or anyone really. Just saying that reality is very much in the middle.
    No, we are not. Seriously... we are not.
     
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    I totally agree that we will never be favorites regardless of the opponent, bayern or barca. But man we as juve fans take so much shit, we just got to believe man. Of course it isn't guaranteed but hey u go into the game 0-0 and in a one leg tie we have a hell of a chance to win
    And I do think we have a chance! I just don't think we're as good as other teams, just no 2 ways about it.

    BUT WE CAN STILL WIN.
     
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    dude, why do this to yourself

    what's the point of convincing yourself that you suck? waste of time
    No, I just don't get the logic of "our 2 CBs are better and their fullbacks are better. But our defense is better". And no, I bet nobody meant how our midfield will defensively help them.
     
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    I think you're taking him way too seriously.

    I'm pretty sure he's saying it in a fairly lighthearted fashion. He knows we have to win/draw against Real and then beat an incredible opponent in the CL final. But where he is 100% right, and so many of the pessimists are being ridiculous... is that we are on the same level as all of the teams left. We all have advantages, and it's up to who can nullify the others strengths best.

    We have the best defensive record in CL this year. Bayern has the best keeper, and alongside us, the best midfield. Madrid and Barca have by far the most dominant attacks, and very good fullbacks, but weaker midfields, defences and keepers.

    Healthy Bayern is probably the most well-balanced side. And we would definitely place second in terms of well-balanced. Madrid and Barca are immense in their strong positions with the best players in the world, but very lacking in other areas.

    Suggesting we are outclassed by any of these teams left is a silly as AJ saying we are guaranteed to win it, and I'm going to assume his is just a reaction to all the pessimism still prevalent.

    I'm not aiming this at you, or anyone really. Just saying that reality is very much in the middle.
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    Which makes "our defense is better than them" totally meaningless. In fact, their defense will have a much easier time stopping our attackers than will our defenders stopping their front three. Barca is the scariest team to play with.
    Perhaps. Healthy Bayern is much more balanced, but it appears they won't be healthy again this year, so that's irrelevant.

    Our midfield strength in every aspect means our defenders are rarely hung out to dry against attackers. I really don't see Barca's front 3 dominating us, as our MF should be able to handle Barca's mid with ease and help out in defense. Assuming we got to the final, Pogba would be healthy and in very good shape again.

    The bigger question is whether using our midfield to help nullify their attack will allow us create anything going forward, but Barca can be vulnerable on the counter when they commit the Fullbacks forward, and we've seen for a few months now just how effective Morata and Tevez are countering, especially with Pogba and/or Pereyra in the line-up. I really don't see them being clearly superior at all. I see it as a very very close match up, and I'm very curious as to how it would play out.
     

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    No, I just don't get the logic of "our 2 CBs are better and their fullbacks are better. But our defense is better". And no, I bet nobody meant how our midfield will defensively help them.
    The "this position" is better than "that position" arguments are usually worthless. Its team v team not individual part v individual part. Juve didnt beat Madrid because their individual parts were better, they one because their team was better. Juve was cohesive and organized, while Madrid wasnt. Thats the story.
     

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    Our defense is better but their fullbacks are better... really...

    And their speed is incredible, our defense tracking that would be way, way too tough.
    Their fullbacks are better offensively. Not even close defensively. Lichtsteiner is twice the defender. Evra is our weak spot defensively.

    Stop being such a ridiculous pessimist. This is directed at you now. Our mid will destroy their mid, and will easily help out our defence in containing their attack.

    It will be damn close if we end up progressing, anyone saying otherwise hasn't watched us this year.
     

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